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re: How did the ancient Romans feel about the Roman Republic/Empire
Posted on 5/4/18 at 3:44 pm to PhilemonThomas
Posted on 5/4/18 at 3:44 pm to PhilemonThomas
Its crazy to think the last vestiges of the Roman state died in 1453, only 40 years before Columbus discovered America.
Most people dont realize that the Eastern Romans or Byzantines were around long enough to see and partially participate in the crusades.
Thats almost 2000 years of the Roman idea in one shape or another.
Most people dont realize that the Eastern Romans or Byzantines were around long enough to see and partially participate in the crusades.
Thats almost 2000 years of the Roman idea in one shape or another.
This post was edited on 5/4/18 at 3:46 pm
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Posted on 5/4/18 at 3:46 pm to PhilemonThomas
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The idea of a nation like the U.S. is modern. While the Imperial government collected taxes and provided a grain dole in Rome it had no where near the reach or affect on the lives of ordinary citizens as the U.S. gov't does today. Your average Roman knew very little about what was really going on outside of their town. They knew what the elite told them or whatever imperial propaganda was directed to them, or whatever the local cult priest told them.
I guess this is really the answer to my question. With our modern sensibilities it is still mind blowing how even when the average Roman in those days didn't identify with the nation in the same fashion, ultimately they still knew what Rome was, and it was this thing that has always been there for as far back as anyone can fathom.
Pretty sure there are still some people alive today whose great great grandparents fought in the revolutionary war
Posted on 5/4/18 at 3:46 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
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“Celadus makes the girls moan.”
Posted on 5/4/18 at 3:47 pm to BulldogXero
Roman society was way more stratified between rich and poor than ours is. The poor people were really uneducated and probably didn't know any difference. And the rich people were so rich they didn't really GAF either.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 3:57 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
The GOAT Roman history podcast is Emperoros of Rome.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 3:58 pm to PhilemonThomas
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The GOAT Roman history podcast is Emperoros of Rome.
Will definitely have to check it out
Posted on 5/4/18 at 4:02 pm to BulldogXero
Give it time. The United States will end up the same way.
We’ve become a culture of rewarding irresponsible behavior with a check, food stamps, housing, medical cards, etc etc...
As more of this culcha reproduces, at a much much faster rate as the taxpaying population, the takers will become too much of a burden for taxpayers to support them. It’s happening in Louisiana now. Why do you think the state is so broke?
The same entitlement mentality is and has spread through the United States because Socialism has never worked in any society, ever but Democrats believe it will somehow work here.
We’ve become a culture of rewarding irresponsible behavior with a check, food stamps, housing, medical cards, etc etc...
As more of this culcha reproduces, at a much much faster rate as the taxpaying population, the takers will become too much of a burden for taxpayers to support them. It’s happening in Louisiana now. Why do you think the state is so broke?
The same entitlement mentality is and has spread through the United States because Socialism has never worked in any society, ever but Democrats believe it will somehow work here.
This post was edited on 5/4/18 at 4:06 pm
Posted on 5/4/18 at 4:21 pm to BulldogXero
A few points. We are basically an extension of the British empire. Our constitution, songs we sing about our country, etc were created in Brition. We plagiarized their culture. It is similar to how the Romans expanded, and their cultural center moved. Think Rome as London, and Constantinople as NY. And if you want to get real technical about it, the English were basically birthed by the Catholics, so they integrated a ton from the Romans. Alfreds conquest against the heathen norse and his consolidating the island was built on the idea he was chosen by God.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 4:32 pm to AUCE05
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And if you want to get real technical about it, the English were basically birthed by the Catholics, so they integrated a ton from the Romans. Alfreds conquest against the heathen norse and his consolidating the island was built on the idea he was chosen by God.
Then a Normand bastard conquered them all, and put an end to both of their Houses.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 4:35 pm to BulldogXero
They annexed too much property and made EVERYONE a citizen. Sound familiar?
Posted on 5/4/18 at 4:35 pm to NYNolaguy1
It's worth noting that though the Byzantines called themselves Romans, over time there were significant cultural differences between the Italian Empire and the Greeks.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 4:37 pm to TDcline
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Give it time. The United States will end up the same way.
We’ve become a culture of rewarding irresponsible behavior with a check, food stamps, housing, medical cards, etc etc...
The same entitlement mentality is and has spread through the United States because Socialism has never worked in any society, ever but Democrats believe it will somehow work here.
Why America is a Republic, not a Democracy
Posted on 5/4/18 at 4:53 pm to BulldogXero
Bruh imperial power in the west declined a century and a half before odoacer sacked Rome. After the Antonine Plagues and the crisis of the third century it was inevitable that power was shifting east to where the money and Urban centers were. Hell by the time it was sacked it wasn’t even the capital in the West, Ravenna was. While the West did collapse Constantinople prospered and didn’t fall until shortly before Columbus discovered the new world
Posted on 5/4/18 at 4:56 pm to PhilemonThomas
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The GOAT Roman history podcast is Emperoros of Rome.
History of Rome by mike Duncan is the best imo
Posted on 5/4/18 at 5:16 pm to Ancient Astronaut
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What does Dan Carlin say?
He might say that the destruction of Carthage or Babylon is a better example.
Posted on 5/4/18 at 5:18 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
Romanes eunt domus?
Posted on 5/4/18 at 5:18 pm to BulldogXero
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How did the ancient Romans feel about the Roman Republic/Empire
Well let’s just ask one of them...
Posted on 5/4/18 at 5:58 pm to NYNolaguy1
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Its crazy to think the last vestiges of the Roman state died in 1453, only 40 years before Columbus discovered America.
At least in rough concept, right?
Some would argue that Roman influence continues to this day. From the Founding Fathers' close study of the Latin (and Greek) classics in forming the basic structure of our republic to the architecture of the buildings in Washington, D.C., it's sometimes pleasantly sentimental to think that they're still hanging around.
Another interesting read along those lines is Empires of Trust: How Rome Built--and America Is Building--a New World
Posted on 5/4/18 at 6:08 pm to Jag_Warrior
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It's worth noting that though the Byzantines called themselves Romans, over time there were significant cultural differences between the Italian Empire and the Greeks.
This is a common, though gross distortion passed down through a handful of Romantic era historians that has shaped how we've been taught about the Eastern Roman Empire for the last century.
The ERE was profoundly Roman; what drift it did experience, took place over a thousand years. Of late, a great deal of work has been undertaken by people like Lars Brownworth (Lost to the West) and Anthony Kadellis (The Byzantine Republic)to help try to undo the damage of Gibbon and his contemporaries.
This post was edited on 5/4/18 at 6:10 pm
Posted on 5/4/18 at 6:16 pm to deathvalleyfreak43
Lots of experts have argued what was the reason of the true fall of Rome. A general thought is simply it got too big.
Too big to govern, too big to keep peace, too big to provide for the entire empire. Then when the aqueducts began to get “sacked” and water was essentially cut off, it was just a matter of time.
Too big to govern, too big to keep peace, too big to provide for the entire empire. Then when the aqueducts began to get “sacked” and water was essentially cut off, it was just a matter of time.
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