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re: How did the ancient Romans feel about the Roman Republic/Empire

Posted on 5/5/18 at 7:19 pm to
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 5/5/18 at 7:19 pm to
Somebody should tell him what Kaiser meant if he really wants his mind blown.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
85538 posts
Posted on 5/5/18 at 8:14 pm to
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Julian the apostate is my favorite Roman leader because of this. Besides him removing the church from the state, he also gave power back to local governors who of course said “thanks but i like to be figure head”

I think the world would have been a better place had that arrow not randomly found him in battle

I think by that time paganism was dead no matter what. It couldn’t be brought back.

It’s hard to say if Christianity is at fault for sinking Rome. On one hand, it’s easy to blame. But then, the Byzantines were militantly Christian and hung around another millennium.
Posted by Jacknola
New Orleans
Member since May 2013
4366 posts
Posted on 5/6/18 at 12:10 am to
No most languages certainly do NOT have Latin roots. Indo-European languages have common roots but Latin and Russian/Slavic are not direct kin having diverged separately. Furthermore “Ceasar” is a name of a person.. that later was adopted as a term for royalty... It was not a Latin grammar word, and certainly not a Rus one.

You apparently don’t fully grasp what constitutes “the Roman Empire,” what language the eastern Roman Empire/Byzantine Empire used, or the religious reasons the Russians ended up using the term Tsar. In other words, you seem to lack the basics of language trees, and the Roman Empire, and the Rus, and probably the history of the 1000 year period between the first sack of Rome and the fall of Constantinople.

My question is... why did you feel obliged to comment? Why not say “oh, that is interesting” and take the advice and read the books and actually learn something?
This post was edited on 5/6/18 at 12:22 am
Posted by BoardReader
Arkansas
Member since Dec 2007
7414 posts
Posted on 5/6/18 at 4:24 am to
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Read Gibbon; Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, eight volumes. This was published in last two decades of 18th C but remains a monumental and informative work. Gibbon was a secularist which was only then becoming acceptable, and these volumes had a huge influence on the founding fathers of the United States and the development of our constituents.


Read Gibbon, but don't take his revisions as the definitive version of Roman history, which continued for another thousand years.

As he came to the end of the work, he was looking for scapegoats for the decline and fall, and settled on a mish-mash of Christianity, the Byzantine East not helping out another failed Western Emperor, and the idea that Roman ideas died with Rome.

It is, in the end, a deeply flawed work that does better in its earlier parts than in the ending.
Posted by HueyP
Lubbock
Member since Nov 2008
3155 posts
Posted on 5/6/18 at 10:31 am to
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The same entitlement mentality is and has spread through the United States because Socialism has never worked in any society, ever but Democrats believe it will somehow work here.


I seriously doubt politicians have thought the process through till the end. It’s more about luring in voters to gain power right now.
Posted by GeorgePaton
God's Country
Member since May 2017
5977 posts
Posted on 5/6/18 at 11:05 am to
Rome ruled the world. Their legions and navy kept the shipping lanes open allowing trade and commerce. That was important because since the terrain around Rome was not particularly favorable to raising crops (at least in quantities sufficient to feed the populace) they looked to Northern Africa to supply their needs. The arrival of the fruit of the new crop by ship was greeted with much fanfare at the entrance to the city. The produce (commodities, plump and lush grapes, olives, etc) was unloaded on wagons which were harnessed to bullucks. The horns of the animals were adored with laurel wreaths and preceeded by minstrels playing flutes and instruments. Then the entire wagon train was paraded through the center of the city to the joy and anticipation of the citizens. It was a happy festive occasion.

As long as Rome maintained its military might, the folks in Rome were fed. But then gradually corruption set in, amongst other social problems. Then the raiding hordes of barbarians began to invade Northern Africa, attacking, burning, destroying. Soon all roads leading to Rome became all roads leading away from Rome. People were hungry, unrest followed.

Happens all the time. Nations struggle to attain status and achieve autonomy. Then they become corrupt,lazy, factions develop, folks play the blame game. Eventually they're overwhelmed and defeated by their enemies. Their cities and magnificent institutions reduced to rubble. Saw it happen to Rome, Jerusalem, Berlin.

You'd think we should have learned a lesson by now. Wait a minute! Let me tell you about this little place called Jamestown, Virginia in the year 1607..........

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

This post was edited on 5/6/18 at 12:11 pm
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