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re: How did Hitler convince millions of people to commit genocide?
Posted on 7/19/15 at 3:51 pm to Tiger1242
Posted on 7/19/15 at 3:51 pm to Tiger1242
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You need to tread carefully, you're sounding pretty close to a Nazi sympathizer right now
PC policing things like NAZI support is a threat to correctly understanding history IMO. Did I give any opinion on whether I wish NAZIs would have succeeded or that I think the Jews got what was coming to them? The Holocaust is evil whether the Jews were absolutely no threat or if part of the population were some sort of threat and their solution was to kill the entire race (including civilians, women, and children).
There is something dangerous about the term "scapegoat." It implies that the Holocaust was wrong because all of the German's gripes with the Jews were fabricated. That thought has a brother: that as long as the gripes are legitimate, extermination of an offending race is okay. So it goes.
I think it needs to be looked at through the right context. I know history is written by the victors, but that gets complicated when you then try to talk about objective morality as if there is no bias. The NAZIs were despicable and power hungry and Germany allowed it, but Germany allowed that to happen during a time of war and survival. Its silly to judge that by our mindset now as we are surrounded by countries with a fraction of our military capabilities and no legitimate desire for our resources. We don't know if the same thing could have happened in the US if we had actual threats and the same thing did happen in the Soviet Union.
To answer your question about how Hitler convinced millions of people, go look at a map. Note where Germany is and which countries it is surrounded by. Make note of its natural borders. Then read a little bit of history about the 30 years war and how foreign armies laid waste to the Germanic lands.
The same reason Europeans don't understand our obsession with guns and anti-government power is the same reason we don't understand the early 20th century German mindset. The only real threat America ever faced was itself. We went to war over taxes we felt were unfair. Germans had their cities raped and destroyed by foreign invaders. That will breed some nationalism and suspension of morality if they believe the alternative is going back to the period where their un-united government wasn't strong enough to protect them from those wanting to frick them over.
Imagine what the American population could be convinced to do if they thought people were coming for their guns. Rewind that 70 years before access to diverse media sources. Now consider the difference in immediate threat between guns being taken for the well-being of the people(possibly) vs being in a war with foreign countries who assuredly are not concerned with Germans' wellbeing. Oh yeh, also consider that in America's 230 year history, nobody's ever came for their guns or seriously trampled their rights while Germany had been defeated in a war by foreign armies 2 decades before and feeling the effects in the interim.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 4:13 pm to Tiger1242
He killed off all political opposition, installed those with his ideologies in power, and used that power to funnel people into believing in the same ideals, and specifically strong-armed the most influential aspects of German culture into bending to his will, which then ultimately had the masses following, many willingly, and many out of fear of what might happen in they did not.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 4:33 pm to FreeWillie
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The same way Obama is convincing millions of people that white people are evil and deserve to die.
That's a weird thing for a half white person to want, with a white vice president by his side.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 4:42 pm to Poodlebrain
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You can see it repeating itself today on both a large and small scale. Minority groups in the United States cluster together and take pride in their uniqueness, they emphasize their differences while demanding they not be treated differently despite the differences they celebrate. And of course the obvious are Muslims. They are part of a tribe that doesn't even bother to hide their intent to kill non-members of the tribe.
Also, genocide is something that has gone on throughout human history in pretty much all civilizations at some point. Hitler was neither first nor last.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 4:45 pm to rmnldr
You really think that's what happened?
Posted on 7/19/15 at 5:55 pm to Navtiger1
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Are you two really trying to compare Bush going to war with Hitler? Really? Every president who went to war then can be compared to Hitler. Bush doesn't even come close to Hitler.
Hitler hated Jews because of things in his past speculation ranges from his ouster from art school, Jewish doctor not saving his mother, to a half Jewish father. But he hated them for some reason and saw them as a good starting point to get the German people on his side.
Germany was devastated after WWI and would believe any charismatic leader who promised them something better. They were a poor and broken people and he told them they were a superior race of humans who would rule the world for a 1000 years. once elected he gave them jobs, money, and a prosperous Country and a shinny bad guy in the dirty Jews. He had an awesome propaganda machine that sold everybody on it all. Once their lives were good and they bought into it, it wasn't hard to get them on board with crazier ideas or to turn a blind eye to atrocities.
This is pretty much it.
Add in that German children were actively encouraged by the Reich to report any "suspicious" or "unpatriotic" words or deeds by their parents, and you have the makings of an effective police state that did not tolerate any differing views.
LC
Posted on 7/19/15 at 6:24 pm to LongueCarabine
Communism was a real threat and there were a few Jews who were leaders of the movement. Hitler exploited that for his own ends. The commies and socialists DID take over the government for a short time at the end of the Great War.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 6:43 pm to The Boat
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Not nearly enough leftover troops and resources to pull that shite off.
ay Leopold, American medic, was treating a German soldier and the German soldier asked him in perfect English where he was from and Ray replied the Northeast and the rest of the conversation went something like below:
Italics (German soldier) and Normal Text (Ray Leopold):
Where in the Northeast
Connecticut
Where in Connecticut
Waterbury,Connecticut
Ah yes, at the junction of the Naugatuck and Mad River
(Aside: you could jump across the Mad River)
How could you possibly know about the Mad River?
I was in training for the administration
The administration of what?
The administration of the USA territories
LINK
This post was edited on 7/19/15 at 6:44 pm
Posted on 7/19/15 at 6:57 pm to Tiger1242
Why do threads like these get posted on the OT and not on the political board?
Posted on 7/19/15 at 7:21 pm to Honest Tune
It's history and I like history on the OT.
Posted on 7/19/15 at 9:58 pm to Tiger1242
I talked to a German lady one time that lived there as a young girl after Hitler came to power. I asked her about this and she said that Hitler won the minds and support of the German people by building back the economy and provided jobs and food. They had been so devastated after WWI and the crash of the stock market that people were desperate. She said that Hitler was very good to the German people in this aspect.
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