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re: How can American society fix this mass shooter phenomenon?
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:26 pm to jchamil
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:26 pm to jchamil
quote:In a society that rightfully protects freedom and due process, trying to help mentally unstable people on a voluntary basis is going to likely have limited effect. The standard for denying someone with mental health issues their freedom is also a difficult line to draw or timely enforce. I don’t think the answers are as easy as some pretend.
Bring back asylums
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:27 pm to Tiger1242
Only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:27 pm to Tiger1242
The media fascination and unintentional glorifying the Columbine shooters is where it started. Now all these insane losers want the same type of post-death recognition.
Unfortunately the cat's out of the bag, if it's not a school it's a church, a nightclub or a supermarket.
There were signs in most of these cases. Somebody - a friend, a parent or family member, someone knew things weren't right. The Buffalo shooter showed up to school in a fricking full blown hazmat suit. Mental health emergency services for *anyone* seeming strange, I mean that's all I can think of.
The mental healthcare industry kinda sucks, and I'm not sure why. There's plenty of potential customers out there. My son needed some counseling for anxiety a few years ago and I quickly learned the mental health providers come and go like crazy. Not sure why.
Unfortunately the cat's out of the bag, if it's not a school it's a church, a nightclub or a supermarket.
There were signs in most of these cases. Somebody - a friend, a parent or family member, someone knew things weren't right. The Buffalo shooter showed up to school in a fricking full blown hazmat suit. Mental health emergency services for *anyone* seeming strange, I mean that's all I can think of.
The mental healthcare industry kinda sucks, and I'm not sure why. There's plenty of potential customers out there. My son needed some counseling for anxiety a few years ago and I quickly learned the mental health providers come and go like crazy. Not sure why.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:28 pm to hubertcumberdale
quote:Maybe the fear of burning in Hell for eternity would have. Because obviously being killed or spending life in prison didn't worry him.
So going to church would have stopped this mentally unstable person from massacring children
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:28 pm to ghost2most
quote:
frick you gun loving morons to fricking hell.
Yes this can be fricking fixed.
Every single weapon in this country should be registered.
Every single gun owner should have to pass meticulous screening.
Get caught with an unregistered gun and you get a life fricking sentence.
Release every drug offender from prison and lock up the illegal gun fricks.
frick YOUR RIGHTS
I'm sick of innocent children being gunned down so stupid fricking rednecks can pretend they're tough.
frick YOU
The classic response....punish all law abiding citizens and do nothing to stop the problem discussed in the OP.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:28 pm to ghost2most
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because I have a liberal viewpoint
So you are only cool with killing kids in the womb?
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:29 pm to Bronc
Where did I say there was "no way to prevent" this? I don't have a solution, but acting like an arse isn't going to cut it. Again, if you have the solution, let us in on it. I'll vote, donate, sign, whatever you have that works.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:29 pm to LNCHBOX
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Come try and take my guns.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:29 pm to Tiger1242
I know know, but I do believe social media plays a factor. Covid didn't help the mental state of many of these kids..
And this one will not be popular, but when all of this anti-bully bullshite started, it started giving kids a victim mentality. I know I sound old, I graduated HS in 97, but when I was in school we never heard anything about bullying. People got bullied. The freshman got bullied by seniors. If you were a freshman or sophomore and had a class with seniors or with people who didn't know you, you would get tested and you had to let them know you wasn't a bitch.
It just seems like the youth (whether its k-12 grade) are not allowed to be the way they are. I think a lot of it is changes in our society. Too much entitlement. A lot of these kids, if they don't get their way they are throwing fits..
I think its several things, but its not music, movies and video games.
And this one will not be popular, but when all of this anti-bully bullshite started, it started giving kids a victim mentality. I know I sound old, I graduated HS in 97, but when I was in school we never heard anything about bullying. People got bullied. The freshman got bullied by seniors. If you were a freshman or sophomore and had a class with seniors or with people who didn't know you, you would get tested and you had to let them know you wasn't a bitch.
It just seems like the youth (whether its k-12 grade) are not allowed to be the way they are. I think a lot of it is changes in our society. Too much entitlement. A lot of these kids, if they don't get their way they are throwing fits..
I think its several things, but its not music, movies and video games.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:30 pm to Chromdome35
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I know of 2 other people who have the same issues in their families. The system won't do anything, the insurance companies deny coverage, and the families can't afford the cost of the care.
This is true. Even if people can get past the stigma of mental health or substance abuse issues and seek help, there is the cost. You have to have a job to have good insurance, and even then there is a lot of out of pocket cost to the point that most people can’t afford it. I spent thousands out of pocket and all my kid had was anxiety, but i figured it was worth it on the front end to keep them from “medicating” with alcohol later like some in the family have done. Even those with Medicaid, which is a large portion of the mental health population, have trouble finding good treatment and can’t navigate all the hoops it takes to jump through. You pretty much have to be mentally healthy already to find and or afford treatment.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:30 pm to Tiger1242
It won't be solved because it is a consequence of having so many guns. That doesn't mean we should ban all guns, but it is bascially impossible to prevent a crazy person from getting a gun in our country.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:30 pm to 007mag
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Maybe the fear of burning in Hell for eternity would have. Because obviously being killed or spending life in prison didn't worry him.
Jesus Christ you people are dumb
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:30 pm to Tiger1242
quote:
How can American society fix this mass shooter phenomenon?
I know how you can stop it in schools. Start allowing teachers to carry.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:31 pm to SaintEB
quote:
Where did I say there was "no way to prevent" this? I don't have a solution, but acting like an arse isn't going to cut it. Again, if you have the solution, let us in on it. I'll vote, donate, sign, whatever you have that works.
Ask yourself a simple question, what does every other developed nation have in common that the US does not?
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:31 pm to WDE24
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The standard for denying someone with mental health issues their freedom is also a difficult line to draw or timely enforce. I don’t think the answers are as easy as some pretend.
It becomes very arbitrary too and will be abused.
Look how badly civil asset forfeiture has been abused. These laws always start off with the best of intentions and wind up hurting law-abiding citizens.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:31 pm to 4LSU2
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The first way to combat these terrorist acts is to immediately execute the shooter, provided they are captured alive with 100% proof they are the culprit of said crime
That might work in 2005 Afghanistan, or with criminal enterprises, but deterrence is nothing to someone who is so beyond mentally fricked up that they are literally dying to murder others.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:32 pm to Tiger1242
I don't know what the solution is, but I have little hope it will better before it gets much worse.
I look at how our society responds to tragedies like today and it really hurts me that there is a preverse set of incentives to follow after they occur. You have to state your disgust tautology, lay the blame immediately after, and then signal a "courageous" commitment to a solution that "obvious" to anyone with good intentions. You must scrutinize every reaction because you got to catagorize and seperate the "good people" from the "bad people".
I don't know the solution to the general problem overall. I don't trust our society at large to come up with a conversation worth having about this because it's just too painful and exhausting to have.
Innocent childern and adults are dead. It's the only fact we can agree on and sadly we can't get past it. We are stuck there mourning.
I look at how our society responds to tragedies like today and it really hurts me that there is a preverse set of incentives to follow after they occur. You have to state your disgust tautology, lay the blame immediately after, and then signal a "courageous" commitment to a solution that "obvious" to anyone with good intentions. You must scrutinize every reaction because you got to catagorize and seperate the "good people" from the "bad people".
I don't know the solution to the general problem overall. I don't trust our society at large to come up with a conversation worth having about this because it's just too painful and exhausting to have.
Innocent childern and adults are dead. It's the only fact we can agree on and sadly we can't get past it. We are stuck there mourning.
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:32 pm to ghost2most
quote:
frick YOUR RIGHTS
Go frick yourself
Posted on 5/24/22 at 4:32 pm to hubertcumberdale
quote:
There is nothing new about this unfortunately
Uh yes it is, this wasn't a problem until the latter half of the 90s.
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