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re: Hopefully EV owners in Florida are filling up cans with electricity for the coming days
Posted on 9/27/22 at 9:36 pm to MightyYat
Posted on 9/27/22 at 9:36 pm to MightyYat
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So, wait. To adapt to this lifestyle I have to invest in:
•A $100k+ EV truck (I’ve already stated why I need towing capabilities)
•A $10k+ home charging system
•$10k+ on a home generator or solar panels or both.
All because people are trying to convince the general public that oil is the boogeyman? This is an even dumber argument than originally thought. It’ll never work. The incomes and infrastructure in this country won’t allow it.
-The current trucks just do not meet your needs. Move on and live a happy life
-A level 2 charger is $500+installation. Where are you getting $10k?
-You do not have to buy a home generator or solar panels at all to own an EV
This is the main reason that some of us are in these threads because arguments against EVs are filled with old information or are outliers to prove a point
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I can’t think of nothing worse than trying to evacuate in gridlock traffic and the battery goes to almost empty.
So running out of gas in the same traffic isn't an issue? Waiting in lines isn't an issue?
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Think about this for a second. Whats better, idling a multi-liter engine or using a couple wH to run HVAC and the control electronics?
Everybody quickly forgot the ice storm in Atlanta and ICE owners getting in EVs to stay warm
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Posted on 9/27/22 at 9:44 pm to jmarto1
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Everybody quickly forgot the ice storm in Atlanta and ICE owners getting in EVs to stay warm
Every one of those ice owner should have been made to vow allegiance to their new lord and savior Elon before being let in.
Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:41 pm to Korkstand
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You can even just tow the damned thing for 10 miles then it can drive itself for another 40-50 miles from the regen braking charge.
honestly though, without "breaking" or the engine running in reverse to induce the charge there is no regen charge. So a truck would have to tow you 10 miles while you exert force in the opposite direction of the tow?
Posted on 9/27/22 at 11:59 pm to loopback
This is the first I have heard of this but apparently it is a thing
Motortrend
Motortrend
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At What Rate Does Flat-Tow Charging Occur?
Ford reckoned its Mustang Mach-E or F-150 Lightning will generate at least 9.2 kW at reasonably low speed. Lucid had plenty of experience flat towing its Air sedan prototypes during extensive durability and development drives that sometimes saw the vehicles exceeding their impressive range nowhere near a charger (often at durability-test tracks with no chargers). Lucid claimed that when towed in the high-regen setting at 20 to 30 mph, the car should generate power at a rate of 100 kW; while being towed by a strong support truck at 60 to 70 mph in max regen, Lucid saw charging rates of up to 200 kW. Charging a Rivian with the gear selector in reverse purportedly delivers rates akin to a DC fast charger. Note that on the "Warped Perception" YouTube channel, a Tesla Model S (which comes with robust tow hooks) was flat towed behind a Mercedes-AMG E55 at 70 mph and reported a 65-kW rate, while the AMG earned 5 mpg.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 12:04 am to loopback
quote:The car must be in gear but you do not apply the brakes. The braking force is applied by the motors doing the work of generating electricity.
honestly though, without "breaking" or the engine running in reverse to induce the charge there is no regen charge. So a truck would have to tow you 10 miles while you exert force in the opposite direction of the tow?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 12:13 am to Korkstand
Reminds me of this gem
Posted on 9/28/22 at 12:26 am to Who_Dat_Tiger
Despite the claim "yes it's a real tweet" at the top, that is not a real tweet. It's not on Twitter, nor is it on Politwoops, the site that saves deleted tweets by politicians.
The unlikeliest of contrived scenarios, disbelief of verifiable facts, belief of easily disprovable fake tweets, this thread has it all. I love it.
The unlikeliest of contrived scenarios, disbelief of verifiable facts, belief of easily disprovable fake tweets, this thread has it all. I love it.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 12:36 am to weagle99
Op is jelly he can’t afford an EV
Posted on 9/28/22 at 5:42 am to Korkstand
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The gas pumps ain't working in 2 feet of water either. Love the outlandish scenarios you guys are concocting, keep it up.
To be fair, you appear to be giving EV owners all sorts of credit for owning working generators, solar panels, etc. during a storm while not giving ICE owners any credit for stocking up on gas beforehand.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 6:09 am to weagle99
Are those cans full of electricity next to those full of fairy dust? 
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:03 am to weagle99
quote:I'm saying these things are not hard to find, not that they all own them. I've made that pretty clear with numerous references to neighbors and businesses having generators, and I even spelled out that you would pay them for the power.
you appear to be giving EV owners all sorts of credit for owning working generators, solar panels, etc.
How do you misunderstand everything so badly?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:35 am to Korkstand
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I'm saying these things are not hard to find
While at the same time acting like gasoline is impossible to find if the pumps aren’t working. If that is the case how are your generators for the EV’s going to run if gas and diesel is unavailable to run them???
Or are EV owners with generators the only people with the foresight to stock up on gasoline and diesel?
Before you start bleating about natural gas gensets and solar panels, we both know that is a relatively small percentage of customer owned generation available on the system.
(And of course lets ignore the pesky fact that by using an ICE generator for your EV you are effectively converting your EV to an ICE vehicle in time of emergency)
Enjoy your day man. I think we are done on this one. I hope you get happier, the tone of your posts imply that you are miserable about something.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:47 am to weagle99
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I hope you get happier, the tone of your posts imply that you are miserable about something.
You’re right, they’re so miserable that they made a thread to shite on ICE car owners. Oh wait…
Posted on 9/28/22 at 8:54 am to weagle99
Threads you’ve started shitting on EV cars:
German auto club finds that EV charging wastes 13% of electricity used on average
WSJ writer rents EV for a 4 day road trip and spends more time charging than sleeping
How would the people stuck in the I95 snowstorm have fared in electric vehicles?
Hopefully EV owners in Florida are filling up cans with electricity for the coming days
Seek help.
German auto club finds that EV charging wastes 13% of electricity used on average
WSJ writer rents EV for a 4 day road trip and spends more time charging than sleeping
How would the people stuck in the I95 snowstorm have fared in electric vehicles?
Hopefully EV owners in Florida are filling up cans with electricity for the coming days
Seek help.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:08 am to Box Geauxrilla
So what?
I don’t think that I’m angry or insulting people in any of those posts. I don’t remember taking personal shots but if I did I apologize.
I don’t think that I’m angry or insulting people in any of those posts. I don’t remember taking personal shots but if I did I apologize.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:33 am to weagle99
quote:Gas/diesel are hard to find before/during/after storms. At bare minimum demand spikes way up, and supplies are restricted, so shortages of some severity happen. That's kind of a given. I never said it's impossible, I said it's hard. Over and over.
While at the same time acting like gasoline is impossible to find if the pumps aren’t working.
quote:So let's try this again. If gas/diesel are available, then so is electricity! Every time, all the time, that's just the way it is. That is the natural result of having an installed base of generators with supplies of fuel available. But also when gas/diesel are *not* available, electricity can almost always still be available via natural gas generators or solar.
If that is the case how are your generators for the EV’s going to run if gas and diesel is unavailable to run them???
To make it abundantly clear, electricity can and usually is available with or without gas/diesel, but gas/diesel can never be available without electricity also being available.
And let me put it another way in case you still don't get it: the entire point of your thread is to suggest that there is some scenario where gas-powered cars can fill up while EVs cannot, but that can never be true due to our existing infrastructure. And actually only the opposite can be true, there are many scenarios where EVs can charge up but gas cars cannot get fuel.
It boils down to the fact that you can make electricity if you have gas, but you can't make gas if you have electricity.
quote:That is *exactly* my point. How are you still missing it? You can "convert" an EV to ICE, but not vice-versa.
(And of course lets ignore the pesky fact that by using an ICE generator for your EV you are effectively converting your EV to an ICE vehicle in time of emergency)
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Enjoy your day man. I think we are done on this one. I hope you get happier, the tone of your posts imply that you are miserable about something.
The things you see me write here are some of the highlights of my days. So much so that I look forward to the next really, really stupid thread that you start.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:39 am to Korkstand
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And let me put it another way in case you still don't get it: the entire point of your thread is to suggest that there is some scenario where gas-powered cars can fill up while EVs cannot, but that can never be true due to our existing infrastructure. And actually only the opposite can be true, there are many scenarios where EVs can charge up but gas cars cannot get fuel.
The things you see me write here are some of the highlights of my days. So much so that I look forward to the next really, really stupid thread that you start.
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:47 am to weagle99
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Before you start bleating about natural gas gensets and solar panels, we both know that is a relatively small percentage of customer owned generation available on the system.
What percentage of customers who live in hurricane areas and own EVs have solar or natural gas?
Posted on 9/28/22 at 9:49 am to weagle99
Posted on 9/28/22 at 10:06 am to Korkstand
When the power grid is down, it is down. I have lived through a handful of hurricanes when the power was down at least one week. No gas, no charging a car. If you prepared you had a generator and a few 5 gallon cans on gas to keep the refrig and freezer cold.
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