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re: Homebuyers are now spending 40% of their gross income on mortgage and interest costs

Posted on 7/22/23 at 11:47 am to
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 11:47 am to
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You live in a bubble. Almost literally, and especially metaphorically.



You can't answer a simple question.

Break down the numbers, why will Biden offset student loan payments? How will Biden offset student loan payments?

Thanks.

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That student loan payments resuming will have little to no economic impact?


Not a significant one.


You said this, dummy
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Yeah, if Biden was mitigating most student loan payments


Well no one in this thread has said
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 11:54 am
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 7/22/23 at 11:50 am to
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The Clinton administration was responsible for many of the policies that caused the 2008 crash.



Jimmy Carter created the Community Reinvestment Act in 1977 to encourage more lending to minorities aka Subprime

Clinton rewrote the act in 1995

Bush embraced deregulation and failed to regulate more control over hedge funds

There are a lot more to blame but we all know how it went. Just a lot of bad policies over decades.
Posted by jclem11
Chief Nihilist
Member since Nov 2011
9768 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 11:53 am to
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At about 19% of gross for PITI. Put down 20%.


About 19% of gross for PITI and put down 24% here.

Insurance and HCAD are what is fricking me rn.

My income should only be going up, so that 19% should shrink over time (i hope).
Posted by Artificial Intel
Member since Jan 2023
210 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 11:54 am to
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You can't answer a simple question. Break down the numbers, why will Biden offset student loan payments? How will Biden offset student loan payments? Thanks.


I already answered how the economy will be shielded by providing evidence to the fact. You choosing to ignore it or explain it away is a personal choice. You’re yelling at the wind. Whenever you calm down you’ll recognize even OP, stout, has walked back and said we won’t see anything until after 2024.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 11:54 am to
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I already answered how the economy will be shielded by providing evidence to the fact.


You did no such a thing.


quote:

That student loan payments resuming will have little to no economic impact?


Not a significant one.


You said this, dummy
quote:

Yeah, if Biden was mitigating most student loan payments


Well no one in this thread has said




This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 11:56 am
Posted by fallguy_1978
Best States #50
Member since Feb 2018
53541 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 11:55 am to
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I already answered how the economy will be shielded by providing evidence to the fact.

The average borrower will save 1k per year. You think an extra $83/mo is going to significantly soften the economic impact?
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 11:56 am
Posted by Artificial Intel
Member since Jan 2023
210 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 11:57 am to
Mitigating economic fallout and mitigating student loan payment aren’t the same thing. Wyou don’t even know what you are saying.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 11:57 am to
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The average borrower will save 1k per year.


Thats life changing money to this dude, I guess.
Posted by Strannix
C.S.A.
Member since Dec 2012
53741 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 11:58 am to
4K square foot house and we spend 6% of our gross income on annual mortgage costs.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
41132 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 11:59 am to
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Insurance and HCAD are what is fricking me rn


We getting some relief baw. Texas just passed biggest property tax break ever for the state.

By my calculations my property tax liability is gonna drop by like 4k next year
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182577 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:02 pm to
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even OP, stout, has walked back and said we won’t see anything until after 2024.


I have been saying that. I have also said numerous times it will not be as significant of an event as 2007 but a correction is inevitable and these things take time to come to fruition. Despite what people think, 2007 didn't happen overnight as I have also said in this thread and others. I have also pointed out there were many compounding issues that caused 2007. Not just subprime lending though it was the catalyst. I think we are seeing many similar events and they become more significant with each quarter.

My positions, across all of these threads I have started about this subject have not changed. I can find threads where I have stated these things over and over.

Posted by Rize
Spring Texas
Member since Sep 2011
19392 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:02 pm to
I’m about to have to buy a new house and I’m going from a 2.6% interest rate to whatever it is now. Probably looking at $4500 a month for the type house I want.
Posted by deltaland
Member since Mar 2011
102792 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:03 pm to
Glad my home is paid for
Posted by wutangfinancial
Treasure Valley
Member since Sep 2015
11959 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:03 pm to
That’s my guess. My shop does most of their volume on the west coast. The other thing to think about is property taxes and insurance premiums. If the federal government doesn’t allow the unemployment spike to flow through (they won’t) the middle class is going to get sliced in half.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182577 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:05 pm to
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Mitigating economic fallout and mitigating student loan payment aren’t the same thing.


I think in this instance they go hand and hand. Suddenly restarting a note people haven't had to pay in 3 years is a significant economic event that will have an impact. Consumer spending will decrease as people will have less money to spare.

It will be great for reducing inflation, though.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
76373 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:06 pm to
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Feels like this thread gets made every 6 months but never get any significant trend down


This. I have so many friends wish casting a downturn, and while prices will go down, it's not going to be a full blown 2008.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
299716 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:06 pm to
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Mitigating economic fallout and mitigating student loan payment


In this case they are unless you have some secret information that wasn't contained in your links.
This post was edited on 7/22/23 at 12:07 pm
Posted by Sus-Scrofa
Member since Feb 2013
11086 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:07 pm to
40% would scare me to death
Posted by BearCrocs
Member since Aug 2013
8505 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:08 pm to
About 13% gross and going up each year due to property taxes and home owners insurance. Been in the house six years and would like to cash out and move into forever home but the market is still insane and interest rates are what they are.

Tell me how dual income $100k are buying $400k houses
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
182577 posts
Posted on 7/22/23 at 12:09 pm to
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If the federal government doesn’t allow the unemployment spike to flow through (they won’t) the middle class is going to get sliced in half.


Can you expand on this more?
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