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re: Hobby Lobby defies shutdown order, begins re-opening stores
Posted on 4/1/20 at 3:55 pm to Antonio Moss
Posted on 4/1/20 at 3:55 pm to Antonio Moss
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No, you are arguing transmission possibilities per commercial unit. I don't really care about that.
It's kind of important.
You're pushing large populations into few open venues.
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 3:56 pm to RollTide1987
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Government cannot decide what aspects of our lives are essential or nonessential. The American people cannot simply sit at home and wait for government checks written on funds that government does not have.
End the shutdown.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 3:56 pm to RollTide1987
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This is what I don't get about "flattening the curve" arguments. I understand them in principle but when you start opening up for business again the virus will still be there, just as infectious as ever, and come fall we'll start seeing the same trends once again. Where do the shutdowns end? With a vaccine? Okay. That's a year from now. Do you expect Americans to do this twice? It ain't happening.
I believe the thinking is that at some point the peaks get lower and lower until it becomes like the flu: endemic and seasonal, but with enough residual conferred immunity (and hopefully additional artificial immunity from a vaccine) from year to year that an overwhelming number of people don't get it every covid season. That's kind of the idea behind herd immunity. If this thing weren't a novel virus, we wouldn't be dealing with this as we are because we'd have a significant herd immunity. Once this thing starts topping off at killing 50,000 every year, nobody gives a shite.
Assuming, that is, this thing doesn't do something silly like only confer immunity for three weeks.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 3:56 pm to RollTide1987
A lot of retailers are watching to see what happens with this and then will open or stay closed accordingly.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 3:57 pm to RollTide1987
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sacrifice liberty
Yet no liberties have been sacrificed to date.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 3:58 pm to TigerBR1111
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A lot of retailers are watching to see what happens with this and then will open or stay closed accordingly.
I believe you are 100% correct and that some governors will put on their jackboots and put Hobby Lobby down hard to avoid losing control.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 3:58 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 3:58 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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When people are losing their livelihood?
They should have made better life choices.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 3:59 pm to Unknown_Poster
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Yet no liberties have been sacrificed to date.
Forcing a business to close when they've cooperated with laws and regulations for years is precisely the definition.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 3:59 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It's kind of important.
Not if we are looking at only essential businesses.
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You're pushing large populations into few open venues.
Not really. You are pushing people into only essential venues which reduces interactions exponentially. There was a study released last week that had human interactions reduced by something like 80% in these areas with shutdown orders.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 3:59 pm to RollTide1987
Did Hobby Lobby win the health insurance battle?
Just curious to see if they go 2 for 2 or 0 for 2.
Just curious to see if they go 2 for 2 or 0 for 2.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:00 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:You mean like the fat, unhealthy people dying?
They should have made better life choices.
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 4:03 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:02 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Forcing a business to close when they've cooperated with laws and regulations for years is precisely the definition.
Your definition. Not according to the Constitution. Somalia circa 2000 would have been more up your alley. No government and corporations policed everything. Odd you didn't move there.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:02 pm to RollTide1987
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Hopefully more businesses follow suit. People's livelihoods, and thus their very lives, are at stake. We shouldn't ever sacrifice liberty for safety.
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Hobby Lobby
Who the frick shops at Hobby Lobby??
Overpriced cheap china made garbage.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:03 pm to ell_13
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You might like the fat, unhealthy people dying?
You do realize that death is only one critical metric of a pandemic, right?
You, and others, keep harping on this idea that only significantly obese/diabetic/COPD people are affected which is simply not true.
They may the group with the worst outcomes but there are still plenty of healthy people who will need significant medical intervention due to COVID which adds stress to the system.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:03 pm to Pintail
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Tell that to the employees that are wondering how they are going to pay to keep their roof over their head and food on the table for their family.
I don’t want anyone to be out of work, but having to pay employees doesn’t make the business essential. So no businesses should close cuz they all essential by what you’ve stated.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:03 pm to Unknown_Poster
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Your definition.
Did you know you cant peacefully congregate with groups of people in many places?
I know, I know, statists are not concerned with freedom
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:04 pm to RollTide1987
people still won’t show up
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:04 pm to ell_13
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You mean like the fat, unhealthy people dying?
Yes
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:05 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Did you know you cant peacefully congregate with groups of people in many places?
I know, I know, statists are not concerned with freedom
The problem is that a large percentage of people cannot distinguish between temporary actions in an emergency setting and general actions of the government in a vacuum.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:05 pm to Antonio Moss
quote:Small minority and not worth it. People get sick and die. Even Previously healthy ones. I have sympathy for those people. They’d get medical attention in any situation though fwiw. So they aren’t really a factor here.
there are still plenty of healthy people who will need significant medical
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