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re: Hobby Lobby defies shutdown order, begins re-opening stores
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:46 pm to Dr RC
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:46 pm to Dr RC
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Yeah, why can't I sell cancer medicine made out of sugar water? If cancer patients don't like the effects they just won't buy it anymore!!!
Nothing remotely similar chief.
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Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:52 pm to JohnnyKilroy
I get what you’re saying, but I don’t think people on either side really understand why the government and field experts are doing what they are doing.
Government officials went on a cancel culture war with each other. Mayors and governors were at an arms race to shut down for longer than the last one who announced. Sports and businesses reacted the same way. Their reasoning wasn’t based on field experts opinions (we will get to them later). It was based on fear of looking like they were doing nothing. I mean, most were doubling and tripling the CDC guidance at the time.
As far as the field experts, we are talking about people in the medical field who are tasked with protecting the health systems. As far as they are concerned, it’s their sole purpose and reason for being around (they’re right). So what’s the most conservative approach possible to protect the hospitals ignoring all other factors (again, factors they aren’t technically tasked with understand)? Slow the spread, right? As much as possible. Quarantine and close anything you can. It gives the hospitals as much time as possible to cope and adjust and creates the largest gap possible under capacity. That makes sense right? Well, could we have gone too far? Is that really the best approach? We went to extremes to protect the hospitals but what if we didn’t need to? What if it wasn’t necessary to go this far? Wasn’t there some median ground or approach where we don’t shut everything down? The hospitals get close but never overflow? I think there was.
Government officials went on a cancel culture war with each other. Mayors and governors were at an arms race to shut down for longer than the last one who announced. Sports and businesses reacted the same way. Their reasoning wasn’t based on field experts opinions (we will get to them later). It was based on fear of looking like they were doing nothing. I mean, most were doubling and tripling the CDC guidance at the time.
As far as the field experts, we are talking about people in the medical field who are tasked with protecting the health systems. As far as they are concerned, it’s their sole purpose and reason for being around (they’re right). So what’s the most conservative approach possible to protect the hospitals ignoring all other factors (again, factors they aren’t technically tasked with understand)? Slow the spread, right? As much as possible. Quarantine and close anything you can. It gives the hospitals as much time as possible to cope and adjust and creates the largest gap possible under capacity. That makes sense right? Well, could we have gone too far? Is that really the best approach? We went to extremes to protect the hospitals but what if we didn’t need to? What if it wasn’t necessary to go this far? Wasn’t there some median ground or approach where we don’t shut everything down? The hospitals get close but never overflow? I think there was.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:54 pm to RollTide1987
The Feds are gonna show up like:
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:54 pm to ell_13
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Wasn’t there some median ground or approach where we don’t shut everything down?
You're living it.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:55 pm to RollTide1987
fricking...stupid people
Posted on 4/1/20 at 4:57 pm to JohnnyKilroy
You know what I mean. No, we aren’t China. But I don’t see how putting 40% of people out of work is right either.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 5:00 pm to ell_13
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You know what I mean. No, we aren’t China. But I don’t see how putting 40% of people out of work is right either.
Let's be honest, you're "median" would change no matter what we did.
You've been bitching and moaning about this since well before any of the more stringent measures have been put in place.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 5:01 pm to CaptainPanic
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Yeah because food & necessities is the same as cute picture frames & fabric for arts & crafts projects.
I'm sure cute little decorative flowers and such are one of the basics, baw:
Posted on 4/1/20 at 5:04 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:Again, I put out what I thought seemed reasonable. If the problem and concern is truly the old and unhealthy. Keep those people isolated as best you can. I haven’t changed that opinion. Especially as all the “doomsday” numbers that people were using 3 weeks ago have come down to reality. That 2 million Americans won’t die. The death rate isn’t 4-6%.
You've been bitching and moaning about this since well before any of the more stringent measures have been put in place.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 5:11 pm to ell_13
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only 490 people are in ICU in all of Louisiana. There are not hundreds in the 18-49 range.
Everything you post is inherently dishonest in addition to being incorrect,
I clearly stated 100s were hospitalized. Hospitalization is more than just ICUs. There are 1500 hospitalized cases of COVID today in Louisiana. Which means only 25% are in the ICU.
As of today, there are 2887 confirmed cases of people between the ages of 18-49. There has been a pretty consistent model of hospitalization of 15-20% across all age groups since the beginning of this thing. That puts the range of hospitalization of young people at 433-577. Even if we generously assume a current recovery rate of 30%, that would still put the range 303-404 hospitalizations on top of other traditional hospitalizations for this demographic.
That's not even mentioning the concentration of cases in New Orleans, which makes the scenario worse.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 5:13 pm to RollTide1987
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The mortality rate for life is 100%
"No matter how I struggle and strive
I'll never get out of this world alive"
Posted on 4/1/20 at 5:14 pm to ell_13
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Again, I put out what I thought seemed reasonable. If the problem and concern is truly the old and unhealthy. Keep those people isolated as best you can. I haven’t changed that opinion.
Old, unhealthy people aren't the systemic problem. An old and/or unhealthy person is less likely to spread this than a younger, more active person.
The danger is in how much we can or can't control the spread, not necessarily the number of old and unhealthy people with it in the beginning.
The reasoning isn't the sick/mortality numbers right now, it's preventing those numbers from growing out of control in a month. Quarantining only high risk populations does nothing for the spread.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 5:15 pm to SavageOrangeJug
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Maybe you can pray to the Kenyan Messiah to save you from MAGA.
Mental illness.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 5:45 pm to ell_13
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That 2 million Americans won’t die. The death rate isn’t 4-6%.
You realize that model was based on no action, right?
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If the problem and concern is truly the old and unhealthy. Keep those people isolated as best you can.
Given the number of old and unhealthy people in this country, this plan, if enforced, would actually keep more of the country locked down than it currently is.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 5:46 pm to Salmon
Don't you ruin this "work" from home situation for me.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:18 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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This is the OT. It's ALWAYS AIDS.
I think this might be an 80s kid thing. Growing up it was all about AIDs, it wasn't just homosexuals and drug addicts, we were warned anyone could get AIDs. AIDs was everywhere, in the blood supply, maybe toilet seats, possibly mosquitoes, and she might look like a Virgin but she probably had sex once and got the AIDs, and would give you the AIDs, and then write in lipstick on your bathroom mirror "welcome to the wonderful world of AIDs"
And we were supposed to feel all this empathy for the AIDs sufferers and Ronald Reagan was bad because he didn't care about AIDs.
And every obituary of every seemingly average 30 something aged dude died of "underlying conditions", and I remember being told that was just the code for AIDs
And then all of a sudden Magic Johnson got the AIDs, and that was really confusing for young sports enthusiasts.
And then quickly AIDs went away sometime during the late Clinton Administration, save for still wearing ribbons to support the AIDs and sending a shite ton of money to Africa because they still had the AIDs
30 years later, no one dies of AIDs, and there are commercials to help you make you feel better with your AIDs marketed to the most freakish people the Western World has ever know.
/AIDs rant
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 6:20 pm
Posted on 4/1/20 at 6:33 pm to RollTide1987
I support their right to open their stores, don’t go shop if your scared. Are you gonna give them money to bail them out if they bankrupt? Is the government?
China isn’t even reporting numbers anymore, they are adapting and seizing this moment to become the worlds largest economy while the pu$$ies here are panicking over a 1-3% death rate and 98% mild conditions. Wake up girls.
China isn’t even reporting numbers anymore, they are adapting and seizing this moment to become the worlds largest economy while the pu$$ies here are panicking over a 1-3% death rate and 98% mild conditions. Wake up girls.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 9:03 pm to RollTide1987
Dumbasses.
Posted on 4/1/20 at 9:06 pm to CaptainPanic
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CaptainPanic
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Yeah, so let's pack them into a confined space and get the virus spread appropriately! MAGA!!
Checks out
Posted on 4/1/20 at 9:07 pm to RollTide1987
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We shouldn't ever sacrifice liberty for safety.
Can’t have liberty If you don’t have life
This post was edited on 4/1/20 at 9:14 pm
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