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re: History Experts: What happened to the Middle East after 1200-1300
Posted on 6/23/25 at 6:35 am to TutHillTiger
Posted on 6/23/25 at 6:35 am to TutHillTiger
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They were significantly more tolerant, educated, intellectual, and advanced etc than Europe in 1200s etc but then that eventually all changed dramatically.
Not really all that at all.
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Posted on 6/23/25 at 6:36 am to LSUfan20005
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One of my biggest historical “what ifs” entails how much better the world would be if the ME had continued to flourish and develop
Imagine a world where the Ottoman Empire had made even one single attempt at colonization in the Americas during the Age of Exploration.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 7:12 am to TutHillTiger
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They were significantly more tolerant, educated, intellectual, and advanced etc than Europe in 1200s
Depending on who you mean by “they”, this is an exaggeration.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 7:32 am to Stealth Matrix
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Imagine a world where the Ottoman Empire had made even one single attempt at colonization in the Americas during the Age of Exploration.
That, and if the Ottomans had survived past WWI. You don't have Israel, 9/11, Iran...
Posted on 6/23/25 at 7:36 am to Stealth Matrix
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Imagine a world where the Ottoman Empire had made even one single attempt at colonization in the Americas during the Age of Exploration.
It would be wild, but truthfully why and how would they? The age of exploration developed largely as an attempt to circumvent the ME to reach east Asia
Posted on 6/23/25 at 7:36 am to TutHillTiger
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They were significantly more tolerant, educated, intellectual, and advanced etc than Europe in 1200s
This is simply not true. It is a rewriting of history to disparage the west and Catholicism. Philosophical and scientific thought, artistic beauty and broad charitable action was predominant in Christendom. That doesn’t mean those things did not exist in ME and Asia but it was not to the same scale or impact.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 7:39 am to Celery
Really, nothing. By the mid 1300s the ME is coming to be run by the Ottomans who had supplanted the Seljuks.
There is this belief that the Arabs had a flourishing intellectual culture. That's probably an over exaggerated point. The "Arabs" had always been operating at the fringes of the Roman world. When they took Alexandria, the bishop there negotiated with them to leave the great library alone. Most of the knowledge was there and there were enough literate converts to Islam at the time who knew the value. Plus there were enough Jews spread throughout the Ottoman empire who were bureaucrats under Mehmet and his father and successors that they preserved the great books.
What set Europe off on a roll starts after the Fall of Constantinople. You have Portuguese advances in shipbuilding along with Guttenberg in the early 1500s with the printing press that allows for greater access to education. The Western and Central Europeans start to assert themselves. Exploration and the discovery of the Americas makes the Mid East less relevent.
There is this belief that the Arabs had a flourishing intellectual culture. That's probably an over exaggerated point. The "Arabs" had always been operating at the fringes of the Roman world. When they took Alexandria, the bishop there negotiated with them to leave the great library alone. Most of the knowledge was there and there were enough literate converts to Islam at the time who knew the value. Plus there were enough Jews spread throughout the Ottoman empire who were bureaucrats under Mehmet and his father and successors that they preserved the great books.
What set Europe off on a roll starts after the Fall of Constantinople. You have Portuguese advances in shipbuilding along with Guttenberg in the early 1500s with the printing press that allows for greater access to education. The Western and Central Europeans start to assert themselves. Exploration and the discovery of the Americas makes the Mid East less relevent.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 7:45 am to Tigerinasia
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This is simply not true. It is a rewriting of history to disparage the west and Catholicism. Philosophical and scientific thought, artistic beauty and broad charitable action was predominant in Christendom.
Posted on 6/23/25 at 7:46 am to Stealth Matrix
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Imagine a world where the Ottoman Empire had made even one single attempt at colonization in the Americas during the Age of Exploration.
So you're saying colonial slavery would have started earlier and lasted longer in the New World?
Posted on 6/23/25 at 11:32 pm to TutHillTiger
Seems to be happening where they spread just like another broken culture that is celebrated by the libs.
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