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Historians Find Another Spy in the U.S. Atomic Bomb Project

Posted on 11/23/19 at 1:28 pm
Posted by blueboy
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 1:28 pm
Everyone knows about the Rosenbergs and Greenglass, etc., but few seem to realize that they were part of a much larger network.
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How Moscow managed to make such quick progress has long fascinated scientists, federal agents and historians. The work of three spies eventually came to light. Now atomic sleuths have found a fourth. Oscar Seborer, like the other spies, worked at wartime Los Alamos
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Mr. Seborer was born in New York City in 1921, the youngest child of Jewish immigrants from Poland, according to the study by Mr. Klehr and Mr. Haynes and a C.I.A. document they cited. He attended City College of New York, studied electrical engineering and worked at Los Alamos from 1944 to 1946.

In July 1945, the study reported, he was “part of a unit monitoring seismological effects” of the first detonation of the atomic device. His Soviet code name was Godsend, and he came to Los Alamos from a family of spies.

In 1951, Mr. Seborer fled the United States with his older brother Stuart, as well as his brother’s wife and mother-in-law, and defected to the Soviet Union, where, in 1964, he received the Order of the Red Star, a prestigious military award. He died in Moscow in April 2015 under the assumed surname Smith.
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Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 1:30 pm to
doesn't matter, got Tom Dowd and kicked the commies asses
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 1:36 pm to
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defected to the Soviet Union

He dun goofed
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 1:57 pm to
I wouldn't be surprised if there are multiple spies in several different US agencies. Considering we have spies all over the globe, I would imagine there are other countries doing the same.
Posted by Manzielathon
Death Valley
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 1:59 pm to
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Jewish


Hmmmmm
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 2:01 pm to
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I wouldn't be surprised if there are multiple spies in several different US agencies. Considering we have spies all over the globe, I would imagine there are other countries doing the same.


Wow. You've got it all figured out. You sure are smart.

Of course there are spies from other countries in our agencies. It's how international human intelligence works and has since the beginning of time.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
66865 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 2:34 pm to
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I wouldn't be surprised if there are multiple spies in several different US agencies. Considering we have spies all over the globe, I would imagine there are other countries doing the same.

Funny you should mention that. A Chinese double agent was recently sentenced to 19 years.

Ex-CIA agent jailed for 19 years for spying for China

Hired by the CIA in 1994. It gets more obvious every day that the Clintons were and are Chinese assets.

I'd say that given his choice of Chairman Mao Christmas decorations and the fact that our entire Chinese spy network was obliterated during his tenure, Obama probably was/is one too.

Our enemies have been digging into us with multi-faceted attacks for decades. They didn't stop just because the USSR changed its name.
Posted by baldona
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Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 2:36 pm to
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In 1951, Mr. Seborer fled the United States with his older brother Stuart, as well as his brother’s wife and mother-in-law, and defected to the Soviet Union


Why did it take a historian 70 years to find this? Guessing we knew already?
Posted by supadave3
Houston, TX
Member since Dec 2005
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 4:40 pm to
I'd love to know more about how the spy agencies work. It truly does seem to be some James Bond type work.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
93541 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 4:57 pm to
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I'd love to know more about how the spy agencies work. It truly does seem to be some James Bond type work.


have a friend that I grew up with that retired, alive, as a CIA agent, obviously he can't tell me everything, but his life was kind of like a blue collar James Bond life, he did all of the high tech, covert shite, just not always around the high on the OT scale pussy(or maybe that's classified too )
Posted by hob
Member since Dec 2017
2403 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 4:59 pm to
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Of course there are spies from other countries in our agencies. It's how international human intelligence works and has since the beginning of time.


The DOE labs are full of Chinese and Russian scientist. Are they really spies if we invite them in and pay them?
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 4:59 pm to
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Are they really spies if we invite them in and pay them?


yes
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 5:10 pm to
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
30550 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 5:15 pm to
No one is supposed to really know if you were CIA or not. It not only puts you in danger but everyone in your orbit, moreso depending on your desk or assigned region. So i doubt your braggy friend really did much.
Posted by ZappBrannigan
Member since Jun 2015
7692 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 5:56 pm to
Poorly worded, the other three are fairly well known part of public knowledge.

So it's just adding him to the record for us yokels.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 6:00 pm to
Communism was popular in the Jewish community.
Posted by Lima Whiskey
Member since Apr 2013
22594 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 6:02 pm to
We were incredibly naive. And the Chinese spent a lot of money in Washington.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 6:16 pm to
Adam Schiff is currently looking into how this is related to Donald Trump
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 11/23/19 at 7:47 pm to
Not braggy at all a-hole, he was involved in quite a bit of earth shattering events, unlike your pathetic remf arse
This post was edited on 11/23/19 at 9:36 pm
Posted by htran90
BC
Member since Dec 2012
32407 posts
Posted on 11/23/19 at 7:52 pm to
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I wouldn't be surprised if there are multiple spies in several different US agencies


Which makes us using 2 nukes wild.

You'd think "hey japan.. Maybe we shouldn't poke the bear and hit pearl harbor. They have weapons that can literally erase a city"
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