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Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:15 am to FightinTigersDammit
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No college student is more motivated than one who has spent some time in the real world.
My dad made me work hard labor jobs in HS.
Home construction, road construction/surveying, and industrial plant landscaping.
FAR AND AWAY the landscaping was the worst. It was like the plot to the movie holes.
Really taught me to appreciate air conditioning
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:16 am to RedRifle
I come off as a hypocrite anytime I say this, because I have 2 college degrees, but college isn't for everyone, nor should it be the prescribed goal for everyone. We need people with trades. I see the job market in my own field right now, and I would quickly steer anyone away from the program I received my degree in, ESPECIALLY if they wanted to stay in Louisiana.
I also truly believe that in many fields, a Bachelor's just doesn't do it anymore simply because so many people go to college and get degrees now. My freshman class for my degree program had 25-30 people in it, and I think 4 of us may actually work in the field today. The rest either switched degrees, or graduated in that degree and aren't working in the field.
Go get a trade, kids. Nothing wrong with that.
I also truly believe that in many fields, a Bachelor's just doesn't do it anymore simply because so many people go to college and get degrees now. My freshman class for my degree program had 25-30 people in it, and I think 4 of us may actually work in the field today. The rest either switched degrees, or graduated in that degree and aren't working in the field.
Go get a trade, kids. Nothing wrong with that.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:17 am to Nado Jenkins83
quote:You still in the industry?
When i started in directional drilling most of that companies employees were ex military.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:17 am to RedRifle
We have to reform education in this country. Say it with me, people, "Chartered Trade Schools, Chartered Trade Schools"
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:17 am to schwartzy
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Going to college has become big-time recruitment and propoganda. Kids need to really know what they want to do before going to school. I sure as hell didn't know what I wanted to do at 18.
When I started college in 2006, the message was "it doesn't really matter what you study, college is there to help you become a well-rounded and educated person which is a sure path to a great career."
Then 2008 happened.
The idea of going to university for years on end to become "well-rounded" has been a luxury reserved only to the rich for centuries. The last half of the 20th century (and not even all of that) was a stark exception to that rule where Joe Blow could major in General Studies, pay for it with a part time job, and have employers compete for him after graduation. That anomaly is over. People should attend the universities for what they still do well: preparing people of above average intelligence for fields that will make them economically prosperous, i.e. provide them with financial security. For the types that "don't care about money," those people should make an early peace with the fact that they will likely always be struggling if they choose to become indebted to study medieval history. Grim reality. Having nothing to show for four years besides a pile of debt, a 2.5 GPA, and a BA in communications is not helping anyone but the Universities and the lenders.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:18 am to Cowboyfan89
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I also truly believe that in many fields, a Bachelor's just doesn't do it anymore simply because so many people go to college and get degrees now.
Correct. Bachelors is the new HS diploma. Its a shame.
I am working full time and getting my MBA because its so necessary to get where I want to go in life.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:19 am to schwartzy
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With the cost of college now, it makes a lot more sense to consider trade schools.
I'm of the opinion it's time to back off of the 4 year expectation and eliminate electives not associated with your chosen major. There is no logical reason to pay for 4 years when 3 will suffice (I'm talking to you, Tennis, Astrology, Art of the Western World, Introduction To College, Outdoor Living, Intro to Zumba, etc...)
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Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:20 am to Tigerlaff
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For the types that "don't care about money," those people should make an early peace with the fact that they will likely always be struggling if they choose to become indebted to study medieval history. Grim reality. Having nothing to show for four years besides a pile of debt, a 2.5 GPA, and a BA in communications is not helping anyone but the Universities and the lenders.
Lenders should stop lending for majors that have poor ROI in careers.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:20 am to TheCaterpillar
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My dad made me work hard labor jobs in HS.
I worked my way through college on pipeline jobs. Made a lot of money, but realized I didn't want to do that shite for thirty years.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:21 am to MontyFranklyn
This country doesn't have the balls necessary for real trade/education reform. If your kid isn't a.) interested in school or b.) doesn't test well by a certain age, they should be steered towards trades.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:21 am to RedRifle
I used to tell my students that there are 2 words that never go together in the English language:
Unemployed, and Welder
Unemployed, and Welder
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:21 am to FightinTigersDammit
quote:
No college student is more motivated than one who has spent some time in the real world.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:22 am to Sao
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I'm of the opinion it's time to back off of the 4 year expectation and eliminate electives not associated with your chosen major. There is no logical reason to pay for 4 years when 3 will suffice (I'm talking to you, Tennis, Astrology, Art of the Western World, Introduction To College, Outdoor Living, Intro to Zumba, etc...)
Umm, I took scuba diving at Ole Miss and you better not take that away from me.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:24 am to FightinTigersDammit
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I worked my way through college on pipeline jobs. Made a lot of money, but realized I didn't want to do that shite for thirty years.
My first job while going to college was working in a steel shop. I realized there's a shite load of opportunity as a fitter, but I found it insanely boring.
I got offered a drafting job and leaped.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:24 am to RedRifle
While you low t college boys were taking your lesbian dance therapy at lsjw so you could get in debt to make 40k a year I was turning wrenches on the pipeline making more per hour than you make per week!
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:24 am to TheCaterpillar
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Lenders should stop lending for majors that have poor ROI in careers.
Agree 100%. Fastest way to make this happen is allowing student loans to become dischargeable in bankruptcy. It would transform the entire paradigm overnight.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:24 am to RedRifle
My son is about to finish his sophomore year in high school. He’s already been accepted and given a full scholarship for college welding courses starting this fall. He will be dual enrolled in both high school and college for his junior and senior years of high school. When he graduates high school he will be halfway to a degree in welding. Once he gets that he plans to attend a more advanced welding school in either Kentucky or Texas. When all is said and done he will be a highly skilled professional welder entering a job market with massive opportunity and very few equally qualified peers.
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:27 am to TheCaterpillar
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Most people want to make a lot more than that.
I get trade jobs can get up there when you become a master plumber or carpenter and I agree more people who aren't very good at school should go that route.
Might not be a bad idea to work one of those jobs for a couple of years before you go to college though
Posted on 4/26/18 at 10:28 am to Flanders
Left for a few years now back.
This kid i had last two wells didnt want to come monday for the start of this well. But called tuesday to come out. I told him no way am i sending my night hand home after he drove 6 hours one way to work one day. He isnt welcome on my rig again.
This kid i had last two wells didnt want to come monday for the start of this well. But called tuesday to come out. I told him no way am i sending my night hand home after he drove 6 hours one way to work one day. He isnt welcome on my rig again.
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