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re: HHS Whistle-blowers coming forward with undercover video, VAERS covered up.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:17 am to ell_13
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:17 am to ell_13
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You’re seriously labeling me a leftist because I’m saying the vaccine works to help keep people out of the hospital? That’s all it takes now?
Break from their orthodoxy even one bit and you're a Marxist Leninist Leftist
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Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:20 am to Abraham H Parnassis
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"it works to keep people out of the hospital." That's not true.
It is true. He never said it 100% kept anyone out of the hospital. It does however work to lessen symptoms and reduce the chances of being hospitalized.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:23 am to The Spleen
You and I are complete opposite political spectrums but everyone should agree with that statement when it comes to old and fat people. People just don’t like to admit how unhealthy they are.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:25 am to The Spleen
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Did they? That's odd if so because that wasn't even a PV "sting". The Center For Medical Progress released them, and the two people behind it were indicted on fraud for them. Not sure what the disposition of the case was. NPR
You’re correct. It wasn’t a PV “branded” video but James O’keefe was involved and I remember seeing him talk about it.
There were plenty of media outlets that came out and said it was completely false that the clinics weren’t selling aborted baby parts. I guess technically it was true. They were “donating the tissue for research while accepting a reasonable fund for the donation”.
I guess that’s not technically selling, but it sounds a lot like it.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:25 am to Strannix
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By the way if the vaccine works why do you need other people to get it? Why masks ???
You'll get the same kind of unhinged, attacking responses that you get from climate change acolytes when you ask them what the global temperature is supposed to be.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:27 am to ell_13
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You’re seriously labeling me a leftist because I’m saying the vaccine works to help keep people out of the hospital? That’s all it takes now? And that’s a lie huh? I never said it keeps everyone out of the hospital, you psycho.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:28 am to Abraham H Parnassis
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You said - "it works to keep people out of the hospital." That's not true.
Like ell said, you are either willfully misconstruing his statement, or you are as dumb as a sack of rocks to not understand that "it works to keep people out of the hospital" is not an absolute statement.
This post was edited on 9/21/21 at 9:31 am
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:29 am to Salmon
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:31 am to YumYum Sauce
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1000%
You cant win a fight against lying sociopaths without playing by an entirely different set of rules
Are you serious right now? Jesus christ man. Be better than that. The left makes a mountain out of a mole hill and you think the answer is to join them in the lunacy?
Wait....I see the problem...you think this is a game that can be won. Keep fighting the good fight sheeple.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:32 am to eitek1
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I guess that’s not technically selling, but it sounds a lot like it.
I believe they were getting some money in the transactions, but it was not turning a profit for them. Selling for profit would be illegal, and the money they were receiving was to defray some of the costs involved. From my recollection, the videos were framed as them profiting off the selling of fetal parts, though they may not have at first expressly framed it that way.
O'Keefe was involved in a PP hidden video sting a few years prior to that where he sent a 15 year old into a PP facility to look into getting an abortion. He was found to have removed the part of the video where the PP employee told the girl they'd have to get parental permission.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:36 am to Damone
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Break from their orthodoxy even one bit and you're a Marxist Leninist Leftist
Authoritarianism is something free thinkers really dislike.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:37 am to Strannix
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It's an HHS employee spitting the truth
A nurse, with video of a doctor offering her opinion.
It would be nice of he addressed the video instead of deflecting.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:40 am to ell_13
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Yes, there are breakthroughs but they are not common.
Well this is false. What’s your definition of common?
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:43 am to Abraham H Parnassis
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You said - "it works to keep people out of the hospital." That's not true. Plenty of fully vaccinated people are in the hospital. Your blurring the lines and obfuscating the truth is right out of the leftist playbook.
Let me try next:
You said "exercising and eating healthy help prevent heart disease." That's not true. Plenty of fit people have heart attacks. THAT'S WHY YOU'RE A LEFTIST SHEEP RETARD! YOU'D LET BIDEN frick YOU IN THE arse IF CNN TOLD YOU IT WOULD PREVENT COVID!
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:43 am to Strannix
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The biggest obstacles will be the sheep who got jabbed digging in because they don't want to look stupid and weak
Whether those people are right or wrong, this is absolutely the case. You see it from doctors too. There is a doctor in this thread whose objectivity is gone because he's already "pot committed". That doesn't make him wrong. But, his opinion isn't from an honest point of view.
This post was edited on 9/21/21 at 9:44 am
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:52 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Authoritarianism is something free thinkers really dislike
what authoritarian policy is ell championing?
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:54 am to The Pirate King
The risk of being hospitalized by covid after vaccination is 5 in 100,000. Or 0.005%
I wouldn’t call that common. Breakthroughs are 1 in 5000. or 0.02%
Would you call either of those “common”?
I wouldn’t call that common. Breakthroughs are 1 in 5000. or 0.02%
Would you call either of those “common”?
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:55 am to Mike da Tigah
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See, my issue with all of this is that it is being misrepresented, not reported or under reported the adverse effects, and it’s being mandatory to get it to retain employment, etc.
That’s what makes this sick and evil. If politicians, the MSM, and health officials would simply be clear about these vaccines and tell people that it’s a calculated risk to get it or not get it, and leave it in the people’s hands to make the decision that is best for them, I would have no problem with this in the slightest. But, that’s not what is happening here, and that’s what makes this sick and evil.
It really is hard to believe this is the America I grew up in. It no longer resembles it, and the people behind all this or in support of it, I simply don’t know who they are, but they’re certainly not American anymore.
This post full of common sense will get lost in between all the slap fighting.
People should be adults and take responsibility for their health. If to you that means taking a vaccine knowing there may be a small chance of a reaction then ok. If to someone else it means you'd rather roll the dice with the virus since you have no underlying issues then that is fine too.
It still blows my mind that everyone wants to push the vaccine but no one wants to tell people to cut out the daily Starbucks sugar drink in the morning and drop some weight. Seeing as how that would fix a lot of other health issues that take more lives than COVID, I would think that would be the way to go.
It seems more and more that the government doesn't want people making those decisions for themselves.
This post was edited on 9/21/21 at 10:00 am
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:56 am to moneyg
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Whether those people are right or wrong, this is absolutely the case. You see it from doctors too. There is a doctor in this thread whose objectivity is gone because he's already "pot committed". That doesn't make him wrong. But, his opinion isn't from an honest point of view.
i know a very intelligent, reasonable, professional, conservative nurse who has lost her mind and said blatantly untrue things because she is so pot committed to vaccines being the end-all be-all. A mutual friend got very sick after being vaccinated and she was just making up excuse after excuse why that's possible other than just saying that it's a breakthrough case, it happens, and moving on.
i'm vaccinated. i recommend everybody that gets the OK from their doctor to be vaccinated. harping on something over and over pretending like your arguments are infallible in the face of conflicting data (however small that data may be) doesn't breed my confidence in your ability to be objective or honest.
Posted on 9/21/21 at 9:59 am to ell_13
The stats are unreliable because anyone hospitalized within 2 weeks of receiving their second jab is considered unvaccinated. Thus, if the jab puts you in the hospital, you will be counted as an unvaccinated covid patient because the jab will cause you to also test positive for Covid.
Also, they’re testing everyone hospitalized for any reason for covid. So people there for gunshot wounds, heart problems, or other illnesses who happen to also have covid are counted as hospitalized covid patients.
Bad facts make bad law, and bad statistics make for false narratives.
Also, they’re testing everyone hospitalized for any reason for covid. So people there for gunshot wounds, heart problems, or other illnesses who happen to also have covid are counted as hospitalized covid patients.
Bad facts make bad law, and bad statistics make for false narratives.
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