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Helpful Parenting in the Digital Age Thread

Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:57 am
Posted by Tigear
Scotland
Member since Sep 2019
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Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:57 am
It's time to get back to using the OT for some good.

Parenting in the digital age post-2020 is quite the gauntlet.

I'm doing it "part-time" as a grandfather helping 1 of my sons, who is a recent widow (cancer), with 3 kids (MS + elementary school ages). He still work full-time to support his family, but of course it's nearly impossible without help these days. The life insurance will only carry them so far with the bills & Father Time isn't slowing down any time soon for him.

Our biggest hurdles right now are cell phones for the 2 middle schoolers. They "have" to have them for school HW & class participation apps + it helps for general communication since my son & I split driving duties for school, practices, events, etc.

To kick off this thread, that will hopefully help plenty of OTers, I have 2 starting questions;

1. What are the best apps for protecting the kids from the pitfalls of middle school & soon to be high school cell phone use?
We limit which apps they can/can't download on the iPhone with that parent account linked to the phone but we've already found some messages in various "safe" apps that are troubling & would've gotten worse had we not seen/stopped them.

2. What are the apps & tricks that kids are using to "hide" messages/photos/videos/activity from their parents?
Posted by ZeekFreak
Member since Jun 2017
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Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:59 am to
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Posted by TexasTiger33
Member since Feb 2022
13364 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 8:59 am to
1.) No tik tok

2.) No tik tok

3.) See 1 & 2

4.) No social media apps

5.) See 4

6.) No encrypted messaging apps

God Speed
Posted by BilbeauTBaggins
probably stuck in traffic
Member since May 2021
7153 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:00 am to
You were a kid once. Kids will find a way to do things that their parents don't want them to do. Just make sure you're teaching them about being safe and responsible and allow them to come to you about anything they have questions about.
Posted by Bourre
Da Parish
Member since Nov 2012
21838 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:03 am to
I don’t know what school district your kids are in but to say they have to have cell phones in middle school isn’t accurate in my experience. We didn’t give any of our kids a cell phone until their freshman year of high school. Yes it takes more work and yes there is peer pressure but middle school can be done without cell phones
Posted by TheEnglishman
On the road to Wellville
Member since Mar 2010
3239 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:04 am to
Following.....

I know kids these days dont use text as much as snap chat to communicate.

Other than infrequent phone checks, that I dont like doing, I dont know how to have the proper guard rails for phone use.

I've looked at apps that monitor everything including what is typed or searched. Any key words get flagged and sent to the parent.

I would hate to be that much of a helicopter parent.

My parents would have eliminated me from society if they heard me talk with my friends at 14.
Posted by mattz1122
Member since Oct 2007
54483 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:07 am to
We only allow our kids to use the Christian internet
Posted by tigernurse
Member since Dec 2005
34681 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:17 am to
quote:

It's time to get back to using the OT for some good.


this was never a thing

but to reply to a few concerns, first, my condolences about your DIL.

tech is ever changing - faster that most parents can keep up with. I try to learn as much as I can about the most used apps that young people like, so I know how to navigate around them. I am a 'friends' with my kids on the socials- which likely gives me a very false peace of mind, but nonetheless- we are 'friends' on the socials.

What I try to do majority of the time, is to instill values in my kids that will help bolster their self esteem and their values about themselves and others. In my mind- I am hoping to build them up to stand tall enough to weather the storms of crap that comes their way in the digital age.

hope that makes sense.

I also don't belittle them about all the social media/games and other crap that kid participate these days.
Posted by 9Fiddy
19th Hole
Member since Jan 2007
65480 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:20 am to
quote:

1.) No tik tok

2.) No tik tok

3.) See 1 & 2

4.) No social media apps

5.) See 4

6.) No encrypted messaging apps

God Speed


This. Also set the rules so they understand there in zero right to privacy with their phones. Make sure you have the access codes and check them often. These are kids and if you remember anything about being a kid, you thought you were smarter than your parents and would do shady shite. We all did that and these kids will too. Make sure they are watched to protect them.

And I’ll echo it again. Keep them off all social media (FB, Twitter, SnapChat, Instagram, etc) as long as humanly possible. Social media has been shown to seriously warp teenage minds.
Posted by CoachChappy
Member since May 2013
33890 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:25 am to
quote:

set the rules so they understand there in zero right to privacy with their phones.

and no social media are super important.

That phone is for you to be in communication with them, not them with their friends etc.

Also, they DO NOT need phones for school activities. Their Chromebooks work just fine.

Set firm limits and take that damn thing anytime the limits are broken/tested.
Posted by Ribbed
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2023
2745 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:29 am to
I don't provide my children a cell phone. They don't need one for school. When they get a job and a car, they can pay for their own. Middle schoolers should not be running around with a cell phone. Do what you want, but that's a bad idea.
Posted by Tigear
Scotland
Member since Sep 2019
799 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:48 am to
quote:

I don't provide my children a cell phone. They don't need one for school. When they get a job and a car, they can pay for their own. Middle schoolers should not be running around with a cell phone. Do what you want, but that's a bad idea.


I fully appreciate where you're coming from.

Unfortunately, we just aren't in that position. Between my son & I not able to cover all of the rides &/or everywhere else they need to go, we have a great set of parents who help with the carpooling when needed. We simply have to have them with a cell phone that we can track them on Life360 if for nothing else than the peace of mind.

In response to the others - we definitely keep them off of all the main social media apps. But we know there are some apps that aren't known social media but have messaging that leads to bad decisions. So, I am trying/hoping to have this thread serve as a helpful advice/FYI tool to keep up to date.

We do have the school apps that they "need" because the teachers send the updates, HW/study documents, etc. through as well. We tried just keeping those apps on our phones & then showing the kids. But the timing just doesn't line up most times & they need that info so they can keep up.

Posted by Robin Masters
Birmingham
Member since Jul 2010
33907 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:48 am to
Digitally monitoring your kids is training them to be ok with digital monitoring from the government.

The commies appreciate you pre-conditioning the next generation.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
103940 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:50 am to
Bark is a great app that has a lot of utilities to it in setting screen time, flagging language, and so on. It’s about $15 a month but worth it if you’re set on them keeping the phone.

Bark information

Some schools will encourage middle schoolers to be able to utilize their phones for in class participation/quizzes or other possible apps (a lot of sports teams use them too to communicate with families). Could they do without it all together? Sure. But teaching them good digital literacy is important too and that having a phone is a privilege.

Never ever be afraid to take away their cellphone as a consequence. If they aren’t using it in an appropriate manner then take that shite away.

Also encourage times of the day outside of school where everyone puts their phones down and you spend time together as a family. No phones at dinner, no phones during family time, etc. They need to learn to not have their phone and how to function without it.
This post was edited on 9/20/23 at 9:53 am
Posted by tigernurse
Member since Dec 2005
34681 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:53 am to
quote:

Unfortunately, we just aren't in that position. Between my son & I not able to cover all of the rides &/or everywhere else they need to go, we have a great set of parents who help with the carpooling when needed. We simply have to have them with a cell phone that we can track them on Life360 if for nothing else than the peace of mind.



I get that. with my oldest two kids- I held out for while before giving them phones. With my youngest, who is 16 now, I am taking a different approach. We talk about the hard stuff- that I'd rather not talk about with my only son- like boobs and p*rn and stuff and just trying to make sure he's the most educated (age appropriate anyways) as he can be to navigate a world that I cannot fully protect him from. Communication, for me, is the most important aspect to any new privileges he gets.
This post was edited on 9/20/23 at 9:58 am
Posted by Cdawg
TigerFred's Living Room
Member since Sep 2003
60741 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:58 am to
quote:

I don't provide my children a cell phone. They don't need one for school. When they get a job and a car, they can pay for their own. Middle schoolers should not be running around with a cell phone. Do what you want, but that's a bad idea.

We didn't allow ours to have instagram, FB, etc in middle school. It was convenient to have Life360 when walking to and from school. Or call from practice to say it was cancelled because some coach had to leave, or from a friends how to text to say they made it. During covid, it was nice they would at least facetime friends to visit. we did limit their time on it too.

Also, they were on my plan that whatever app they downloaded would also pop up on my phone so I could see what they were adding on their phone.


Posted by jmorr34
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2004
3193 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 9:58 am to
quote:

We simply have to have them with a cell phone


They make watches now specifically for kids with calling and GPS capability, without access to all of the extra apps. Good for young kids before a cell phone is needed.

One specific is the Gabb Watch.
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
19048 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:04 am to
Jumped in to see what others have to say because we are not in this position yet. Interesting that the middle school teachers are using apps to give out assignments and for class participation.

One thing that I did not see mentioned was, nighttime routine. I have siblings with HS aged kids, and they make them keep/charge their phones in the kitchen at night and do not allow them to bring their phones into their rooms after a certain hour (do not recall if 8 or 9pm).
Posted by HouseMom
Member since Jun 2020
1383 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:12 am to
First, I'm so sorry to hear about this situation. You are a great grandfather for being there!

Second, approach the cell phone issue as you would any other parenting issue. Anticipate situations and address them before they happen. Always be thinking 2 steps ahead of them and always be on offense.

Cell phones are not going anywhere. Ever. They exist in every facet of life now, so it's best to learn how to live with them.

At the middle school level, I'm a huge fan of parental controls time limits, and constant surveillance. You cannot, however, control other parents and what they allow their children to do.

I do not recommend "allowing" a 6th or 7th grader on Snapchat, but please please understand they WILL create an account on a friend's phone if they really want it, and you will NEVER KNOW.

In the upper middle/high school years, this is quite literally how they communicate with each other. It makes no sense to take a hard line approach, because, again, they will do it anyway.

I have found the best approach is to be as realistic as possible with them. Have conversations often about social media, and how it can go off the rails. Y'all must have conversations about the legal ramifications of sharing pictures of their bodies or RECEIVING AND SHARING such images/videos.

Know that they can get addicted very quickly to the online world, but also realize that's where their social life exists in many ways. Social media can be loads of fun for them, but also cause stress and anxiety - just like the real world. Watch for signs of depression that aren't necessarily tied to the loss of their mom or just teen hormone stuff. That can be hard, I know.

Overall, just take it day by day. These kids were made for this online world, and while it seems weird to us at times, it's a part of their social lives. We, as parents, have to teach them to use it appropriately and to set realistic limits.
Posted by tigernurse
Member since Dec 2005
34681 posts
Posted on 9/20/23 at 10:20 am to
quote:

I do not recommend "allowing" a 6th or 7th grader on Snapchat, but please please understand they WILL create an account on a friend's phone if they really want it, and you will NEVER KNOW.


facts

quote:

I have found the best approach is to be as realistic as possible with them. Have conversations often about social media, and how it can go off the rails. Y'all must have conversations about the legal ramifications of sharing pictures of their bodies or RECEIVING AND SHARING such images/videos.


especially this! and the more horrific the topic- the more you need to anticipate it and figure out how to have it with your kiddo's. Parenting isn't for the weak of heart that's for sure.

quote:

Know that they can get addicted very quickly to the online world, but also realize that's where their social life exists in many ways. Social media can be loads of fun for them, but also cause stress and anxiety - just like the real world. Watch for signs of depression that aren't necessarily tied to the loss of their mom or just teen hormone stuff. That can be hard, I know.


I try to make sure my kid has plenty of 'in person' time with his friends- even if they're together and gaming and what not- nothing can replace the 'in person' aspect of a relationship friendship.
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