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re: Helene - Recovery Begins...Devastating Flash Flooding in Western NC and Eastern TN
Posted on 9/30/24 at 12:51 pm to East Coast Band
Posted on 9/30/24 at 12:51 pm to East Coast Band
I think it is worth copy/pasting that guy's entire post.
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Some thoughts and observations to the state and federal response to historic flooding in Western NC from Hurricane Helene
Its not sinking in to outsiders, or it’s just so hard to comprehend that the countless roads in Western N.C. , simply no longer exist.
The state and federal response has been ongoing, with over 1,000 personnel, including National Guard assets, deployed according to FEMA. Disaster Declaration for NC have been expedited, approved, but…
Those crews cannot traverse over collapsed bridges, 100+ foot ravinesthat weren’t there before.
Main interstates I-40 and I-26 have collapsed.
Primary state routes are scoured.
The secondary roads into neighborhoods are effectively eviscerated, for miles. Survivors *can’t* get out, help *can’t* get in.
It’s hard enough to get into Asheville. 30 minutes drives take 8-12 hours with the roads not existing, the remaining gas stations swamped. To get into the towns in villages in the mountains is a days journey if possible at all. National Guard trucks with food and water have to stop and collapses. The tools and supplies for SAR aren’t getting in via road.
Similar to Hurricane Katrina, where boats and helicopters were the only viable means of aid delivery in the first days, air support is currently the most effective way to connect Western NC to the outside world. There’s a limited amount of helicopters operating. Although the water has receded, the roads are still impassable.
This is still very much an active search and rescue mission not a recovery. There is a high number of missing (in the thousands per state media) because people can’t get in touch with loved ones. We saw this after Hurricane Ian as well, that number will drop significantly when phone service/internet returns. For death toll and recovery, the final number will not be known for at least a month in the region.
The lack of media presence on the ground isn’t due to neglect—reporters can't get into many areas, for the same reason help can’t. Even if they could, there is phone and internet do not exist.
This is not going to be a quick recovery for anyone. Some rural parts of Western NC may not be rebuilt.
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Posted on 9/30/24 at 12:59 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Similar to Hurricane Katrina, where boats and helicopters were the only viable means of aid delivery in the first days, air support is currently the most effective way to connect Western NC to the outside world. There’s a limited amount of helicopters operating.
This is the criminal aspect of this wrt the federal response.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 1:14 pm to 94LSU
Posted on 9/30/24 at 1:15 pm to Y.A. Tittle
Really good look at why this was such a catastrophic rain event. You can see when the front/line that was the predecessor rain event slowed its progression to the east and started to really pull Helene's moisture north, well ahead of the storm even making landfall. The line's movement becomes more northeasterly, training rain showers over the same areas. Then, Helene moved in with massive rain, and really high per hour rates.
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quote:OH! Of course!
Stocking gunpowder mill during the Revolution.
Besides a total lack of self-awareness this is just a marketing exercise for those people (at best).
Posted on 9/30/24 at 1:21 pm to 94LSU
Did seeing that logo make your count hurt?
Go read up on this guy and the company. Damn good people
Go read up on this guy and the company. Damn good people
Posted on 9/30/24 at 1:28 pm to LegendInMyMind
I think the scale is going to be hard to convey to the masses, or so I'm deducing. Katrina could be very easily shown - urban areas underwater, dense population struggling. Here's it's just going to be much harder to "bring home" for a population that is used to soundbites and images. Even in the midwest you can show aerial shots of flat land communities underwater.
Hopefully that doesn't limit the attention span or media coverage such that it impedes relief, but I'm afraid it might.
Hopefully that doesn't limit the attention span or media coverage such that it impedes relief, but I'm afraid it might.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 1:36 pm to Pettifogger
So I decided to try and organize a supply run for the people in need. I have spent all morning trying to get a hold of organizations asking what they needed. So far nobody has called, text, or emailed me back. Should I start calling the local churches in my area to get the message out and ask for general supplies like water, pop tarts, granola bars, powdered baby formula, diapers, etc and then just drive in that direction this weekend or wait to start asking after someone sends me a list?
ETA: Screw it. I do not have the patience to coordinate stuff. Looks like I am sticking with donations.
ETA: Screw it. I do not have the patience to coordinate stuff. Looks like I am sticking with donations.
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 2:36 pm
Posted on 9/30/24 at 1:42 pm to WeeWee
it's amazing after katrina that you still have a federal govt incapable of disaster relief when people need it the most
have been multiple events in La since Katrina, both flood and hurricane and La residents have learned to get ready to do a lot of things without govt assistance
have been multiple events in La since Katrina, both flood and hurricane and La residents have learned to get ready to do a lot of things without govt assistance
Posted on 9/30/24 at 1:51 pm to Pettifogger
Bristol Motor Speedway has opened their campgrounds to those who need it. They announced it on Friday, but it may be of use to folks who are heading up that way to help or get someone.
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Posted on 9/30/24 at 1:53 pm to East Coast Band
Thanks for posting that. He has many customer friends in NC who are helping advise him in areas of need and roads to avoid. He will work his way there too and have chainsaws and a crew of volunteers. Your tweet is right, it’s horrible on the ground and will take a lot of good info and work to get to places.
This Stocking Mill guy (Ed) is an ex special operator so is capable of more than most. In fact his only store is in Daytona Beach and he gets up and runs at 5am every morning. A month ago 3 fellers with knives tried to accost him after he was starting his jog close to store. He always carries except his jog, and he fought all 3 off and was able to run back to his store get his weapon and held them at gunpoint for police. Never got even a scratch lol, he put pics on Twit page. He suspects meth heads.
Point is he can take care of himself but has had lots of good help and guidance from people in the disaster areas too. I’ce drank his coffee for 4 years, best I’ve ever had and its roasted to order so takes 2-3 weeks. Worth the wait imo. I just love how his product is great and he loves to help people in need.
This Stocking Mill guy (Ed) is an ex special operator so is capable of more than most. In fact his only store is in Daytona Beach and he gets up and runs at 5am every morning. A month ago 3 fellers with knives tried to accost him after he was starting his jog close to store. He always carries except his jog, and he fought all 3 off and was able to run back to his store get his weapon and held them at gunpoint for police. Never got even a scratch lol, he put pics on Twit page. He suspects meth heads.
Point is he can take care of himself but has had lots of good help and guidance from people in the disaster areas too. I’ce drank his coffee for 4 years, best I’ve ever had and its roasted to order so takes 2-3 weeks. Worth the wait imo. I just love how his product is great and he loves to help people in need.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 1:54 pm to nicholastiger
I’ve been reading Facebook groups that were once fun and friendly and dedicated to certain counties in NC. Now they’re missing persons and how to help lines to check on folks. I read about a random side road that had 12 houses on the side of a mountain. 8 of the houses with inhabitants were lost due to a landslide. I imagine the houses were built on a switchback road and just fell on top of one another. There are a lot of landslide stories along with the flooding stories. They’re having to check every nook and cranny for people.
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 1:57 pm
Posted on 9/30/24 at 2:00 pm to nicholastiger
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it's amazing after katrina that you still have a federal govt incapable of disaster relief when people need it the most
What I find amazing is that people still expect the federal government to be competent. Katrina taught me two things. The first thing is I learned is history repeats itself so you need to look back in to the history of the area where you leave and see what happened in the past and then prepare for worse than that. The second thing I learned is the federal, state, and local governments are incompetent so you needed to have a plan to be able to take care of yourself and your family for at least a week.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 2:29 pm to WeeWee
I would think that beginning with 9/11 that counties/parishes would have realized that communication is onoietant and that there needed to be plans in place.
Time evolves things .. why didn’t the government entities (local ones) have adequate communication plans (ie say phones?)
Or is it really harder than that? Idk .. I’m only in charge of my family which is enough.
Time evolves things .. why didn’t the government entities (local ones) have adequate communication plans (ie say phones?)
Or is it really harder than that? Idk .. I’m only in charge of my family which is enough.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 2:42 pm to nicholastiger
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What will insurance companies do now?
Some say People shouldn’t live where we have hurricane impacts. So people shouldn’t live in Texas, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina or Tennessee. Don’t forget Ida impacted people in Pennsylvania, New York, and New Jersey too.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 2:45 pm to danilo
you forgot Sandy impacted the entire northeast
while we are at it, earthquake prone areas like California and Washington should also be vacated
while we are at it, earthquake prone areas like California and Washington should also be vacated
This post was edited on 9/30/24 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 9/30/24 at 2:48 pm to tiger91
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Samaratins Purse is in Boone for sure .. and alphandomegas group Here to Serve is in Florida feeding people (htserve.org).
Thank you for the post. Yea we are in Jasper Fl. Serving pecan smoked chicken, black beans, and cilantro lime rice.
We plan to be here through the weekend. We could use any donation anyone can afford to give. Each trip costs us between $22k to $25k for food and fuel.
Posted on 9/30/24 at 2:50 pm to tiger91
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why didn’t the government entities (local ones) have adequate communication plans (ie say phones?)
Government doesn't give a shite about any of us. People like to confuse the terms "society" and "government."
Posted on 9/30/24 at 2:50 pm to WeeWee
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The second thing I learned is the federal, state, and local governments are incompetent
Except when it comes to very complex conspiracies.
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