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re: Has to be a solution to homeless ruining cities
Posted on 11/10/23 at 7:37 am to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 11/10/23 at 7:37 am to Y.A. Tittle
quote:Agreed. But the current problem is at such a larger scale even if we doubled the shelters and number of odd jobs available it wouldn't make a dent in it. And besides, the current homeless are largely drug addicted w their brain chemistry hopelessly altered so the CAN'T function for long even in menial jobs. California's attempts at providing housing have been disasters. If you give a continuing drug addict housing, it ends up being trashed and uninhabitable.
We have zoned and over regulated away the ability to have things like flop houses, where folks like these used to be able to lay their heads, and odd jobs for them to make a buck or two to do so (muh everyone needs a LIVING WAGE). This is the end result of that.
Note that while housing costs have gone up, drugs are still cheap. Lots of people who may become homeless don't start out being drug addicts, but it's all around them and cheap.
In my mind the only solution is stopping the flow of drugs first and prevent the creation of new addicts/homeless. Then deal with the population of drug addled zombies in this generation via programs but w the requirement if they somehow slip up they are locked up. This will not happen in my lifetime unfortunately.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 7:44 am to chrome_daddy
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if we doubled the shelters and number of odd jobs available it wouldn't make a dent in it.
If you make it easy for people to be addicts, they will be addicts living on the street.
The solution is banning urban camping on public property around city services. Thats the main reason they do what they do.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 7:45 am to Breesus
They tried that in India. The homeless will sell the homes and move out back to the area again.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 7:47 am to FoTownBam
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We’re all just a few mistakes away from the same results.
Yes we are, but I have a feeling that your definition of help and mine are worlds apart.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 7:49 am to BabyTac
Im pretty sure our sheriff's department politely escorts them on out of heras
Posted on 11/10/23 at 7:57 am to FoTownBam
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This post was edited on 3/13/24 at 12:02 pm
Posted on 11/10/23 at 8:00 am to BabyTac
How about dropping some porta-pottis and portable showers onsite too?
Posted on 11/10/23 at 8:02 am to BabyTac
Last time I was in downtown Houston was in the springtime. Walking back to the car after dinner I glanced to my right just in time to see a bum wiping his bum with a t shirt. Great ending to a lovely evening.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 8:03 am to hojo
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Yes we are, but I have a feeling that your definition of help and mine are worlds apart.
Maybe, but I haven’t put you in a category. What’s your definition of help?
Posted on 11/10/23 at 8:12 am to BabyTac
Sorry baw we can't do anything about it. We got to send another couple trillion dollars to Zelenskyy and Netanyahu instead.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 8:13 am to FoTownBam
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What’s your definition of help?
1st post of page 4. It works. Cities just aren't willing to take the necessary steps because it requires accountability and follow through by local law enforcement.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 8:48 am to BabyTac
you ever see the movie Hard Target?
Posted on 11/10/23 at 9:08 am to FoTownBam
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I don’t think
You could have just stopped there.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 9:08 am to UFownstSECsince1950
Went home to visit the parents and we drove out to Lowe’s and saw people coming out of the woods. Asked my dad about it and he said there was a study done where they went and got homeless from all over paid them for the study and when it was over they never left. Now they and a much bigger homeless/ living in the woods community.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 9:23 am to RedlandsTiger
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How about dropping some porta-pottis and portable showers onsite too?
Who is paying to build and keep up the showers and empty the potties? I sure don't want to pay for them.
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:34 pm to Eurocat
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And keep one other thing in mind. I have a friend who lives in Portland and tells me it is NOT just the liberals. As he says, liberals pass all these laws allowing homeless people to do damage, but when challenged almost all these laws are upheld not by liberals but by libertarian judges who think there should be no such thing as anti loitering laws or anti drug laws. Apparently there is a big "libertarian streak" in Oregon legal circles and they keep winning judicial elections out there.
Oregon has a huge population of right wing libertarian and sovereign citizen types who are also in positions of power. The trend now is to move the homeless camps and drug use off the city streets. They have built little shelters for homeless on lots away from downtown to help move the scroungers farther away. It's a difficult issue to address, but personal liberty and limitations on government control and power is definitely a central theme. (I was there last week)
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:36 pm to BabyTac
Tell them if they move to Mexico they can get free medical care, pay no taxes, free housing and food.
Then drive them to the boarder and kick em in the arse
Then drive them to the boarder and kick em in the arse
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:37 pm to Eurocat
The libertarian phase/fad of the American Right has had devastating consequences on several fronts
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