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re: Has to be a solution to homeless ruining cities

Posted on 11/10/23 at 7:37 am to
Posted by chrome_daddy
LA (Lower Ashvegas)
Member since May 2004
2095 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 7:37 am to
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We have zoned and over regulated away the ability to have things like flop houses, where folks like these used to be able to lay their heads, and odd jobs for them to make a buck or two to do so (muh everyone needs a LIVING WAGE). This is the end result of that.
Agreed. But the current problem is at such a larger scale even if we doubled the shelters and number of odd jobs available it wouldn't make a dent in it. And besides, the current homeless are largely drug addicted w their brain chemistry hopelessly altered so the CAN'T function for long even in menial jobs. California's attempts at providing housing have been disasters. If you give a continuing drug addict housing, it ends up being trashed and uninhabitable.

Note that while housing costs have gone up, drugs are still cheap. Lots of people who may become homeless don't start out being drug addicts, but it's all around them and cheap.

In my mind the only solution is stopping the flow of drugs first and prevent the creation of new addicts/homeless. Then deal with the population of drug addled zombies in this generation via programs but w the requirement if they somehow slip up they are locked up. This will not happen in my lifetime unfortunately.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
263354 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 7:44 am to
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if we doubled the shelters and number of odd jobs available it wouldn't make a dent in it.


If you make it easy for people to be addicts, they will be addicts living on the street.

The solution is banning urban camping on public property around city services. Thats the main reason they do what they do.
Posted by glorymanutdtiger
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2012
3901 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 7:45 am to
They tried that in India. The homeless will sell the homes and move out back to the area again.

Posted by hojo
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2005
1366 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 7:47 am to
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We’re all just a few mistakes away from the same results. 


Yes we are, but I have a feeling that your definition of help and mine are worlds apart.
Posted by Park duck
Sip
Member since Oct 2018
396 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 7:49 am to
Im pretty sure our sheriff's department politely escorts them on out of heras
Posted by Odysseus32
Member since Dec 2009
7451 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 7:57 am to
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Posted by RedlandsTiger
Greenwell Springs, LA
Member since Jan 2008
2951 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 8:00 am to
How about dropping some porta-pottis and portable showers onsite too?
Posted by StanSmith
Member since May 2018
733 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 8:02 am to
Last time I was in downtown Houston was in the springtime. Walking back to the car after dinner I glanced to my right just in time to see a bum wiping his bum with a t shirt. Great ending to a lovely evening.
Posted by FoTownBam
Foley Al
Member since Oct 2023
1606 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 8:03 am to
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Yes we are, but I have a feeling that your definition of help and mine are worlds apart.

Maybe, but I haven’t put you in a category. What’s your definition of help?
Posted by Miglez
Member since Jan 2018
298 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 8:12 am to
Sorry baw we can't do anything about it. We got to send another couple trillion dollars to Zelenskyy and Netanyahu instead.
Posted by hojo
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2005
1366 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 8:13 am to
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What’s your definition of help?


1st post of page 4. It works. Cities just aren't willing to take the necessary steps because it requires accountability and follow through by local law enforcement.
Posted by Duckhammer_77
TD Platinum member
Member since Nov 2016
2713 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 8:36 am to
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
66622 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 8:48 am to
you ever see the movie Hard Target?
Posted by FredBear
Georgia
Member since Aug 2017
15106 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 9:08 am to
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I don’t think



You could have just stopped there.
Posted by GeauxtigersMs36
The coast
Member since Jan 2018
8769 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 9:08 am to
Went home to visit the parents and we drove out to Lowe’s and saw people coming out of the woods. Asked my dad about it and he said there was a study done where they went and got homeless from all over paid them for the study and when it was over they never left. Now they and a much bigger homeless/ living in the woods community.
Posted by saintsfan1977
West Monroe, from Cajun country
Member since Jun 2010
7837 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 9:23 am to
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How about dropping some porta-pottis and portable showers onsite too?


Who is paying to build and keep up the showers and empty the potties? I sure don't want to pay for them.
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
24012 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:34 pm to
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And keep one other thing in mind. I have a friend who lives in Portland and tells me it is NOT just the liberals. As he says, liberals pass all these laws allowing homeless people to do damage, but when challenged almost all these laws are upheld not by liberals but by libertarian judges who think there should be no such thing as anti loitering laws or anti drug laws. Apparently there is a big "libertarian streak" in Oregon legal circles and they keep winning judicial elections out there.

Oregon has a huge population of right wing libertarian and sovereign citizen types who are also in positions of power. The trend now is to move the homeless camps and drug use off the city streets. They have built little shelters for homeless on lots away from downtown to help move the scroungers farther away. It's a difficult issue to address, but personal liberty and limitations on government control and power is definitely a central theme. (I was there last week)
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
19566 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:36 pm to
Tell them if they move to Mexico they can get free medical care, pay no taxes, free housing and food.

Then drive them to the boarder and kick em in the arse
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
One State Solution
Member since May 2012
56041 posts
Posted on 11/10/23 at 1:37 pm to
The libertarian phase/fad of the American Right has had devastating consequences on several fronts
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