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re: Has there ever been a country fall like the Mongols?
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:38 pm to athenslife101
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:38 pm to athenslife101
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I think it'd be cool living on the step.
Eh, I don't know. Most of the people I see in NOLA living on the step look pretty fricking miserable.
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Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:39 pm to DelU249
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do you even Toynbee or spengler, bro?
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You're gonna be convinced of that 'til next month when you get to James Lemon, and then you're gonna be talkin' about how the economies of Virginia and Pennsylvania were entrepreneurial and capitalist way back in 1740. That's gonna last until next year -- you're gonna be in here regurgitating Gordon Wood, talkin' about, you know, the Pre-revolutionary utopia and the capital-forming effects of military mobilization.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:45 pm to Duke
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And guns make the horse archer hordes pretty useless.
I'm sure a warrior, leader, and conqueror as brilliant and ruthless as Mr. Khan would figure something out. I'm sure Alexander the Great would be pretty damn good at modern warfare as well if he was raised into it
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:51 pm to Green Chili Tiger
just reminds me of it's always sunny
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:52 pm to DarthRebel
bullshite. It wouldn't be till the late 1800s when horse archers were made mute by guns. Arrows were far more accurate and effective than guns for a long time. The reason why crossbolts and then guns became the main long distance weapon is you didn't need to spend an entire lifetime to learn to shoot a gun.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:54 pm to TheCaterpillar
Bombs, airplanes, and modern navies are expensive. Give em the money to build it and sure, those guys would probably be awesome commanders.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:55 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Alexander the Great's Macedonian Empire immediately come to mind.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:55 pm to athenslife101
very true
guns were very inaccurate and took too long to use for a very long time
guns were very inaccurate and took too long to use for a very long time
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:57 pm to AUCE05
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I enjoy the theory that war loving societies will always fail
Not nearly as fast as the pacifist ones
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:58 pm to athenslife101
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The Mongolians controlled India through the 1500s.
The Mongols were repelled in India. The "Mughal Empire" began in the 1500s though.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 4:59 pm to athenslife101
By the 1700s muskets and cannons were the tools of war. It's clear they were effective enough by then as numbers became far more important than quality warriors. Hence why the administrative bureaucracy of governments became a thing (to organize the vast armies) and no one bothered wearing armor.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 5:00 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Well the Nubians are now Somalians so that's pretty awful.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 5:01 pm to Duke
Which reminds me of how ridiculous the fall of the Aztecs was. That was cleaning the house.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 5:02 pm to GeauxColonels
Posted on 8/29/17 at 5:02 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Portugal.
Most people don't realize how powerful they were in the 15th and 16th centuries.
Most people don't realize how powerful they were in the 15th and 16th centuries.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 5:03 pm to baldona
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I mean the Egyptians and Romans/ Italians are really in the same boat are they not?
Very different, at least with the Romans. It took about 2 1/2 centuries of intermittent decline to completely topple the unified Roman Empire. When it start to happen in earnest in the early 400s AD, it happened relatively quickly (about sixty years from the withdraw from Britain to Rome truly being done for good), but there was a lot that precipitated that in the first place. Not sure any other empire any history other than maybe the Chinese at certain points could have withstood what Rome went through in the third century AD and still come out on the other side intact.
The Mongols were extremely quick to rise and conquer and then extremely quick to break apart and fall. They were never the all-encompassing political, economic, cultural, and military behemoth that Rome was.
ETA: the example of Alexander's empire is probably a pretty good analogy.
This post was edited on 8/29/17 at 5:07 pm
Posted on 8/29/17 at 5:06 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Look at the British now. They had the worlds largest empire.
Now they have an invader as a mayor, enemies swarming their streets, and a few islands left. And the places they left behind are invariably shittier.
Now they have an invader as a mayor, enemies swarming their streets, and a few islands left. And the places they left behind are invariably shittier.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 5:06 pm to AbuTheMonkey
Yeah, if you were able to build a road and economic system like Rome and Egypt did, then you're not close to The Mongols.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 5:16 pm to OMLandshark
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Yeah, if you were able to build a road and economic system like Rome and Egypt did, then you're not close to The Mongols.
Much more than that, even. How many people today speak a language derived from Vulgar Mongol? How many countries today have political and legal systems which draw heavily from Mongol political and judicial theory? Does a religion first formed and then disseminated under the Mongols form the basis for a third of the world's faith? So on and so on.
Posted on 8/29/17 at 5:17 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
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What happened?
Butt sex spawned liberalism
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