re: Has the Shroud of Turin been proven authentic?

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painted an image on cloth with red ochre and vermillion tempera

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I have seen countless documentaries where the assertion is that there is no pigment at all on the fibers.

Do you have a source for yourr assertion??

edit - I have googled the red ochre/shroud topic and find there is innumerable articles about it.

I obviously have not read them all but it seems there is evidence of red ochre present but most conclude that it was not used to form the image.

I will pursue this as time permits and I withdraw my request for you to provide a source.

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I have seen countless documentaries where the assertion is that there is no pigment at all on the fibers.

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That is correct. There are no known pigments of any kind found on the shroud, and the image itself is found only on the top strands of fibers on the cloth. If this was a forgery, it was done by the greatest artist no one has ever heard of.

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My point is that of all possibilities, that piece of cloth showing an image left by a man rising from the dead is the least likely and most ridiculous.

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Sure it's the least probable. But when you investigate something and look at all of the evidence, you don't stop at what is most probable.

no. there are scientific problems with it.

Its fake.

COINcidence?

Two coins were minted in 692 under the reign of Emperor Justinian II. They were the first coins ever minted with an image of Christ and appear to be based on the Shroud image as indicated by 180 matching points of congruence between the Shroud image and the coin image.

Just the Facts Rex and Hearings. Why do both of you ignore the Scientific FACTS?
The Carbon Dating of 1988 would not be admissible in a court of law. It would be thrown out.
2005: Thermal Chemist, Ray Rogers, followed up on new spectroscopic data showing the material of the corner cut for carbon dating may be different from the rest of the Shroud. He obtained thread samples from the C-14 corner and thread samples from the interior of the Shroud. Additional micro-chemical and spectroscopic tests showed the samples were not the same. Results published in a peer-reviewed journal confirmed initial concerns. The sample cut for C-14 dating is from a medieval reweaving and not part of the original shroud.
"The radiocarbon sample was not part of the original cloth of the Shroud of Turin. The radiocarbon date was thus not valid for determining the true age of the shroud.”
Rogers also determined the evidence of a madder root dye used to blend in the color of newer threads with the more yellowed threads of the original cloth. He also found cotton and starch in the C-14 sample but not from the main body of the Shroud. Starch was used to stiffen the cotton in order to make the repair.
The carbon dating tests of 1988 are now considered by many to be a complete debacle. The carbon labs violated the sampling protocol established for the tests in 1985. Three different samples were to be cut; instead only one sample was used. Ignoring caution from archaeologists, they cut the sample from the most handled area of the cloth, the outside corner edge exactly where it had been grabbed and held by Church authorities for numerous public exhibitions.
It was an area that had the most potential for contamination, damage and repair.

The more technology has advanced, the more evidence they have collected that prove the Shroud was from the time of Christ.
If it was a fake one would expect advances in technology to collect evidence against it' authenticity instead of proving it's authenticity.
They found AB type blood, not paint....and the list goes on.

Doubtful.

There is far more evidence pointing to the authenticity of the shroud than vice versa.

The Bible says to not throw your pearls before swine. Regardless if this cloth is authentic or not, No amount of proof would convince these non believers. Sometimes a person has to reach his lowest point before he will look up. Lucky for them, our God is waiting.