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Has anyone dealt with a sibling treating their own mother like shite due to their spouse?

Posted on 12/21/25 at 1:47 pm
Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
11177 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 1:47 pm
I have an issue and I’m just wondering how some, if any have dealt with it. I want to really confront mine but he has severed all contact with me because of his wife no liking my wife either. My sister has decided to not talk to my brother either due to the situation. My heart breaks for my mom who I don’t know how long she has left on this earth. She isn’t allowed to feel like she is wanted at their home and her grandchildren are at the age where graduations and holidays are here and it’s just a constant reminder that she doesn’t matter and has no feelings. Some may say it’s not my problem. But I see it slowly killing my mom. We still to this day after years of very little contact, know what anyone did to have this happen.
Posted by IndianPower
Louisiana
Member since May 2021
1404 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 1:53 pm to
Yes.

Cant be fixed without divorce.

Lived it and it never ends well.
Posted by PenguinNinja
Antarctica (and Japan)
Member since Sep 2011
2344 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 1:54 pm to
Are you sure it’s not at least partially your moms fault? I ask because you're obviously biased and I’ve been in a similar situation where it was my family member in the wrong but no one within the family was willing to call them on it cuz “family”. The ones who aren’t blood get the auto-blame
This post was edited on 12/21/25 at 1:56 pm
Posted by themasterpater
I travel
Member since Sep 2014
1347 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 1:55 pm to
What's the backstory?

Is your mom truly innocent?

I'm sure your sibling isn't completely innocent.

Toxic relationships tend to spread outward, even though the two in the toxic relationship seem to think it's only confined to them, and have next to zero self awareness of how it's affecting others.

With that being said, most children who turn on their parents at some point have some history of childhood trauma from said parents.

Not saying that's what's happening, but could be. Maybe your brother is just an a-hole, but that wouldn't be news if so, this behavior would have been old news.

You may be expecting people to operate out of your emotional intelligence bandwidth, when they simply don't have that.

**Edit - just putting the below on first page, may actually help someone other than OP. Family and relationships frick more than one person up. **

Sounds like your brother's wife is toxic, some form of an attention seeking individual, maybe narcissistic or adjacent. Your brother, hate to say it, sounds kinda weak for letting it slide. He hides his weakness behind the notion of trying to keep his immediate family together. You see the same shite with women who stay with toxic douchebag aholes...."but I love him, I don't want to cause pain or blow anything up"....no you're just using those excuses as a reason to hide and stay small.

With that being said I've seen moms and dads say things to their kids "out of care" and it's nothing more than an insult disguised as "guidance". Then when consequences come, parents act like they have "no idea" where it comes from. Nobody owes their parents access to their lives just because they're parents. Parents are people too, maybe good people, maybe shitty people.

Your mom probably said something. Something halfway benign, keyword halfway. Your brother and his spouse probably took it as a shot at their family, and now cut her off. Your mom may be pretending she has no idea, but she probably has some idea. A lot of people will say "I never meant to hurt you" sounds nice, but that's kinda like saying "my bad, I didn't mean to 3rd degree burn you"...then take zero accountability for the damage they did, they only track their intentions, not actual impact to the other person.

Your mom may have burned them. Your brother and wife may have over reacted. Your brother may not have the strength to do what it takes, stand up to both mom and wife. Avoidance is easier for people short term. It puts the load on surrounding loved ones, then eventually that payment comes due....which sounds soon on your end.


This post was edited on 12/21/25 at 2:35 pm
Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
11177 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 1:57 pm to
It’s staring me in the eyes that this will not get any better and told my mom that she needs to stop enabling his shitty attitude. He is definitely afraid to tell his wife that it’s his mother and she should be allowed in his and his children’s life. He hasn’t come to see her in over three years and she goes there, made to feel not welcome, leave and cry all the way home. I know it’s the hardest thing to do, but maybe she needs to stop going out of the way and see if he is fine with not seeing her for a while. If her going out of her way is good enough for him, stop to see if it changes his mindset. It is his mother.
Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
11177 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 2:00 pm to
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Are you sure it’s not at least partially your moms fault?


Nobody knows anything. We are unaware of what happened to bring this about. My brother has been asked numerous times what happened and he can’t tell her. He called my mom to tell her he had her Mother’s Day gift earlier this year to stop by and get it. This weekend her grandson graduated from college. She had to ask her brother to drive her to Baton Rouge because they would bring her. Then when she was there, wasn’t allowed to sit with the family.
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
7409 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 2:05 pm to
In my experience dealing with divorces as an attorney, it’s always the spouse or girl/boyfriend that cause the issues between blood or the spouses going through a divorce or child issues.
This post was edited on 12/21/25 at 2:07 pm
Posted by The Torch
DFW The Dub
Member since Aug 2014
27836 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 2:06 pm to
The holidays always bring out the family problems
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13492 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 2:07 pm to
Yes, she needs to stop enabling.
Why isn't your mom allowed into her grandkid's lives? Does she meddle, or overly criticize parenting? She may also be excessive about the guilt tripping from the past. She's got to get over the past and accept that maybe seeing them once every 90 days is better than nothing.

I cut off my mom and one of my sisters for nearly a decade for various reasons, getting divorced helped immensely, as they hated my ex wife, and she hated my mom back (for a couple of very specific and mostly valid reasons.)
This post was edited on 12/21/25 at 2:08 pm
Posted by Morpheus
In your Dreams
Member since Apr 2022
7263 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 2:08 pm to
Really man it’s just depends on the situation to be honest.

Since we don’t know your Mom or wife for that matter and how they treat others it makes it tough to understand how to answer.

I mean, I’m personally a believer that you should cut all negative influences out of your life, blood or not.

Saying all that, I would need to know how they treat each other.
Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
11177 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 2:08 pm to
quote:

What's the backstory?


This is the problem. Nobody knows shite. About 15 years ago my wife borrowed a shirt from my brothers wife. We had a set of twins and were taking family pictures. My wife misplaced the shirt so she offered to buy the exact same shirt or give her the money for it, but she felt disrespected for it happening. Long story short, my wife was cut off from her. My father was dying in the hospital and she cursed my wife out. When the funeral was being planned, my brother asked me to have the gathering, after the funeral at a neutral place because his wife didn’t want to come to my mom’s home. Mom is now in her mid 70s and I see her slowly dying because of the hate and not knowing what happened. My mother taught her and housed her when she left her parents house because of disagreements. Now she is made to feel like she was used and my brother plays along with it.
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
14683 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 2:11 pm to
I'm having a hard time understanding your post and the relationships depicted.

My brother pretty much treats our mom like crap- it's not because of his (very lovely) wife, it's because my mom was a shitty mother.

I've kinda moved on and have a relationship with her- he has a relationship with her but it's quasi emotionally abusive and my mom takes it in stride. She knows she earned it. I hate to see it but have no desire to call him out on it, because my mother definitely sowed those seeds.
Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
11177 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 2:12 pm to
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Saying all that, I would need to know how they treat each other.


They don’t treat each other any way because they haven’t spoken to one another in about 8-10 years. Just stated about what happened when I was finding out my father had passed. My wife told them hello as they are walking in the door and she said I’m not in the fricking mood to talk to you.
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
7409 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 2:14 pm to
Spouses and girl/boyfriends don’t value the relationships because they are not blood to them. They then rile up the spouse that is blood about whatever. Now the spouse that is blood is in a tough spot. Choose spouse or blood. But the best solution is the blood tells the spouse that he’s not gonna cut off contact just because they have an issue.
Posted by UptownJoeBrown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2024
7409 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 2:15 pm to
quote:

My wife told them hello as they are walking in the door and she said I’m not in the fricking mood to talk to you.


Wow.
Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
11177 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 2:16 pm to
I understand everyone’s opinions on this, that nobody knows what started this and how to fix the issue. Like I have stated, nobody knows why it got like this. When my brother and I were on speaking terms, we asked what happened and he could not tell us. My sister and I both have given up on trying to fix it because we see what it’s doing to mom. I just wish my mom had the strength to just sever those ties as well.
Posted by SuperSaint
Sorting Out OT BS Since '2007'
Member since Sep 2007
148375 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 2:18 pm to
quote:

and she should be allowed in his and his children’s life.
wrong.

He is a grown man that makes the decisions for himself and his family. frick anyone that tries to argue differently.
Posted by SallysHuman
Lady Palmetto Bug
Member since Jan 2025
14683 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 2:19 pm to
quote:

I just wish my mom had the strength to just sever those ties as well.


I imagine that's near impossible for her. Just be sure you and your sister are extra attentive to try to pick up some of that slack.
Posted by LemmyLives
Texas
Member since Mar 2019
13492 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 2:20 pm to
quote:

they are walking in the door and she said I’m not in the fricking mood to talk to you.

Between this and your last post, be glad your brother and his wife are gone. The fact that if your brother heard that, and didn't tell her to leave that shite at the door of your dad's funeral, or wake, is disturbing, and speaks to his character.

She'll then focus on the grandkids being her emotional issue, but she has to let them go until the situation gets resolved on your brother's side, if ever. She has to mourn the loss, but not dwell on it in her remaining years. You may want to look into therapy for your mom, so she stops agonizing over a "good riddance," situation.
Posted by shoelessjoe
Member since Jul 2006
11177 posts
Posted on 12/21/25 at 2:21 pm to
quote:

wrong. He is a grown man that makes the decisions for himself and his family. frick anyone that tries to argue differently.


Or it could be that his balls or in his wife’s purse and he doesn’t want to ask to have them back.
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