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re: Harvard's astronomy dept chair is more convinced than ever that Oumuamua is alien craft

Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:11 am to
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 7:11 am to
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Looks like a long asteroid to me. Or at least it's cloaking device makes it look like that.



Hollow out the inside to make room. Perhaps this is why we elected zapp brannigan
Posted by notsince98
KC, MO
Member since Oct 2012
17952 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 9:53 am to
There were crews sent out to investigate the craft if you want to google it. Pretty fascinating what they found or didn't find inside.
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
33969 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:56 am to
The disconcerting thing about this is, if the diagram is correct, and this object came from behind the sun on a hyperbolic trajectory, and moving so fast it was only detected by the Hawaiian observatory after it had passed Earth. What else is out there, behind the Sun, that we dont know about.
Posted by Godfather1
What WAS St George, Louisiana
Member since Oct 2006
79609 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 10:57 am to
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if the diagram is correct, and this object came from behind the sun on a hyperbolic trajectory, and moving so fast it was only detected by the Hawaiian observatory after it had passed Earth. What else is out there, behind the Sun, that we dont know about.


Jimmy Hoffa?

Elvis?
Posted by Loaner1231
Member since Jan 2016
3903 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:07 am to
PBS Spacetime video on why Oumuamua is NOT aliens

I love when space topics pop up on the OT.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:17 am to
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Recently, Micheli et al. (2018) reported the detection of non-gravitational acceleration in the motion of ‘Oumuamua, at a statistical significance of 30s




30 standard deviation units... 



that's the only interesting aspect of story.
Posted by Boudreaux35
BR
Member since Sep 2007
21406 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:32 am to
quote:

Cigar-shaped interstellar object may have been an alien probe, Harvard paper claims
By Steve George, CNN


Posted by Tigerlaff
FIGHTING out of the Carencro Sonic
Member since Jan 2010
20847 posts
Posted on 1/14/19 at 11:40 am to
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Dr. Loeb, an alumnus of Hebrew University in Jerusalem, has been in the news a lot this fall. In September, he penned an essay in Scientific American about searching for relics and artifacts of dead civilizations in outer space. "Instead of using shovels to dig into the ground as routine in conventional archaeology, this new frontier will be explored by using telescopes to survey the sky and dig into space," he wrote.

He then published a new scientific research paper that explores the different types of elements that one might find on an alien planet. Just last month, he published another study explaining how aliens can travel throughout the galaxy on the backs of everything from meteoroids to space dust.


LINK

Long story short, this guy sees aliens everywhere. Just another nutty academic.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11089 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 3:53 pm to
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/15/arts/television/project-blue-book-history-true-story.html

quote:

‘Project Blue Book’ Is Based on a True U.F.O. Story. Here It Is.

By Ralph Blumenthal and Leslie Kean
Jan. 15, 2019



quote:

We viewed the first six episodes from the standpoint of writers who have long worked on the serious side of U.F.O.s. We broke the December 2017 New York Times exclusive on a secret Pentagon program investigating the phenomenon, with our colleague Helene Cooper. Leslie Kean wrote the Times 2010 best-seller “U.F.O.s: Generals, Pilots and Government Officials Go On the Record.” Ralph Blumenthal has written about U.F.O.s for Vanity Fair as well as The Times.


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Nonetheless, melodrama aside, the real story is there: Project Blue Book was the code name for an Air Force program set up in 1952, after numerous U.F.O. sightings during the Cold War era, to explain away or debunk as many reports as possible in order to mitigate possible panic and shield the public from a genuine national security problem: an apparently technological phenomenon that was beyond human control and was not Russian, yet represented an unfathomable potential threat.


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While Hynek was involved, Blue Book compiled reports of 12,618 sightings of unidentified flying objects, of which 701 remain unexplained to this day. But what’s most important to study during that era is what occurred outside Project Blue Book, to the extent that it has been revealed. When we reported on the Pentagon’s Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, which began in 2007, we offered a glimpse into a similar scenario today: military cases being investigated and filmed without the public knowing. This time, however, there was no public agency to accommodate reports of incidents, even when hundreds of witnesses were involved.


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It all began in 1947. Lt. General Nathan Twining, the commander of Air Materiel Command, sent a secret memo on “Flying Discs” to the commanding general of the Army Air Forces at the Pentagon. Twining stated that “the phenomenon reported is something real and not visionary or fictitious.” The silent, disc-like objects demonstrated “extreme rates of climb, maneuverability (particularly in roll), and motion which must be considered evasive when sighted or contacted by friendly aircraft and radar.” A new project, code-named “Sign,” based at Wright Field (now Wright-Patterson Air Force Base) outside Dayton, Ohio, was given the mandate to collect U.F.O. reports and assess whether the phenomenon was a threat to national security. With Russia ruled out as the source, the staff wrote a top secret “Estimate of the Situation,” concluding that, based on the evidence, U.F.O.s most likely had an interplanetary origin. According to government officials at the time, the estimate was rejected by General Hoyt Vandenberg, the Air Force chief of staff. From then on, the proponents of the off-planet hypothesis lost ground, with Vandenberg and others insisting that conventional explanations be found. Project Sign eventually evolved into Project Blue Book, with the aim of convincing the public that flying saucers could be explained.


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Later that year, however, H. Marshall Chadwell, the assistant director of scientific intelligence for the C.I.A., concluded in a memo to the C.I.A. director, Walter Bedell Smith, that “sightings of unexplained objects at great altitudes and traveling at high speeds in the vicinity of major U.S. defense installations are of such nature that they are not attributable to natural phenomena or known types of aerial vehicles.”


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Documents show the C.I.A. then devised a plan for a “national policy,” as to “what should be told the public regarding the phenomenon, in order to minimize risk of panic.” After a closed-door session with a scientific advisory panel chaired by H.P. Robertson from the California Institute of Technology, the C.I.A. issued a secret report recommending a broad educational program for all intelligence agencies, with the aim of “training and debunking.”

Training meant more public education on how to identify known objects in the sky. “The use of true cases showing first the ‘mystery’ and then the ‘explanation’ would be forceful,” the report said. Debunking “would be accomplished by mass media such as television, motion pictures, and popular articles.”

That plan involved using psychologists, advertising experts, amateur astronomers and even Disney cartoons to create propaganda to reduce public interest. And civilian U.F.O. groups should be “watched,” the report stated, because of their “great influence on mass thinking if widespread sightings should occur.”


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“The implication in the Panel Report was that U.F.O.s were a nonsense (nonscience) matter, to be debunked at all costs,” Hynek wrote. “It made the subject of U.F.O.s scientifically unrespectable.”


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Scientists may know more about the behavior and characteristics of U.F.O.s and are closer to understanding the physics of how the technology operates, according to A.A.T.I.P. documents and interviews. But the government still makes every attempt to keep investigations and conclusions secret, while denying any involvement to American citizens.
Posted by X123F45
Member since Apr 2015
27345 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 4:09 pm to
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It was moving at 58,000 mph. We don’t have the calability to intercept something that fast on short notice.



Should have told some baw it was doing 58000 in the slow lane.

He'd have the first f-25000 behind it in no time.

Complete with cosmic truck nuts.
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 4:20 pm
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
53713 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 4:36 pm to
The bird The bird
The bird is the word
Boppa
quote:

Oumuamua
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 4:44 pm to
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Scientists may know more about the behavior and characteristics of U.F.O.s and are closer to understanding the physics of how the technology operates,


No.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11089 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 5:00 pm to
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Scientists


Based on the current understanding of material, reductionist science? No (I agree with you)

Based on acceptable, currently understood science, we have different belief systems for the really big (Newtonian physics) and the really small (quantum mechanics). Are we really full of that much hubris to feel that a 2 tiered system is the proper way to explain the universe??? Instead we create mathematical constants and constructs to accommodate our current “understanding” which at it most basic teaching is “give us one big fricking miracle and we will explain the rest”

However, there is more to the story/science than we “know”




Las Vegas news outlet

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I-Team: Documents prove secret UFO study based in Nevada


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LAS VEGAS - UFO investigators are hoping to obtain a treasure trove of Pentagon documents that were generated by a once-secret military study of flying saucers and other weird aircraft.

The government confirms there was a UFO program. It supposedly ended in 2012, but the Pentagon has not yet released any reports or files.

The I-Team gives the first look at documents which prove the UFO study was real and was based in southern Nevada.


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In Aug. 2008, DIA posted a solicitation for bids. Weeks later, the contract was awarded to Bigelow Aerospace, the initial amount was $10 million. It required Bigelow to provide a facility that qualified for top secret work. Harry Reid did not influence the selection process. "There was no direct contract vehicle for Senator Reid to take care of a buddy over here in a stake for a contract. That's complete nonsense," Elizondo said. Space entrepreneur Robert Bigelow's interest in exotic subjects was as obvious as his company logo. He'd spent years -- and millions of dollars -- on his own scientific study of UFOs and related topics. For the DIA contract, he created BAASS, a seperate entity housed within his aerospace plant. He hired a team of 46 scientists and investigators, along with dozens of other support personnel.

READ: Statement from a senior manager of BAASS

The agreement with DIA did not mention UFOs at all. It used more generic terms such as future threats and breakthrough technologies, and specified 12 focal points including, lift, propulsion, materials, versions of stealth as well as human interface and human effects, meaning Bigelow's team would study people who reported unusual experiences beyond seeing UFOs. A ranch in Utah, known for decades as the site of bizarre encounters, became a living lab for the study. The study produced volumes of highly technical scientific reports including projections about warp drives and antigravity propulsion. "These studies are so loaded with information," Sen. Reid said. "One thing we learned is over the decades a lot of things happen there's no explanation for. Well there are now."


Bigelow owns the legendary Skinwalker Ranch (paranormal) which they reference above...

Direct links to the DIA documents are at the site above
I did not link them because they are PDFs

Title of the docs:

quote:

Warp Drive, Dark Energy, and the Manipulation of Extra Dimensions

Advanced Space Propulsion Based on Vacuum Engineering
This post was edited on 1/16/19 at 6:14 pm
Posted by Commander Data
Baton Rouge, La
Member since Dec 2016
7289 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 5:19 pm to
Nice to see our politicians aren't wasting our money....
Posted by emanresu
Member since Dec 2009
9354 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 6:26 pm to
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It's a fricking dick shaped rock for crying out loud... As long as it's not on collision course to frick the earth I don't care...

If everyone in the history of humanity were as engaged as you, we'd still be shitting outside our caves. Congrats on wallowing in your own ignorance.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 6:42 pm to
The biggest problem with your, and most other ufologists', argument is that UFOs are a technology. They are unidentified flying objects. Absolutely nothing more.

Any UFO that becomes identified proves to have been an ordinary object that couldn't be identified because of its distance, atmospheric conditions and the like. There has never been an unidentified flying object that has proven to be something other worldly in origin.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11089 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 7:18 pm to
quote:

The biggest problem with your, and most other ufologists', argument is that UFOs are a technology. They are unidentified flying objects. Absolutely nothing more. Any UFO that becomes identified proves to have been an ordinary object that couldn't be identified because of its distance, atmospheric conditions and the like. There has never been an unidentified flying object that has proven to be something other worldly in origin.


We all project our biases based on our understanding of the world

This is not a technology. It is a phenomena (that spans many disciplines)

If you truly look at what those who are studying it have reported, you will find that material reductionist science will never be able to explain it (because material reductionist science is an incomplete understanding of the world).

The materialist will respond ”prove it”. The paradox is that this phenomena transcends the material. The materialist shrugs and states “I knew it, it does not exist”. I would ask the materialist to quantify and measure love. Using the criteria above, does love not “exist”??? Also, please show me where conciousness is generated in the human brain??? Quite the “hard problem”

The reality is that we only know what we perceive. We perceive very little in the grand scheme of the universe

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There has never been an unidentified flying object that has proven to be something other worldly in origin.


The NY Times, the DoD, and Commander Fravor disagree...

Drive around this thread if you want to try to understand the phenomena


https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/ny-times-the-pentagons-ufo-program---spin-off-for-aerospace---esoteric-discussion/74223344/

Posted by HueyP
Lubbock
Member since Nov 2008
3155 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 8:24 pm to
Looks a lot like a rock to me.
Posted by Kentucker
Cincinnati, KY
Member since Apr 2013
19351 posts
Posted on 1/16/19 at 8:45 pm to
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because material reductionist science is an incomplete understanding of the world).


Horse hockey. Reductionism looks at what makes up the world. If that isn't a complete understanding, then there can't be one.

quote:

I would ask the materialist to quantify and measure love. Using the criteria above, does love not “exist”??? Also, please show me where conciousness is generated in the human brain??


Love and consciousness are not things. They are processes of the brain. Consciousness is governed by the brainstem and the cerebral cortex.

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The NY Times, the DoD, and Commander Fravor disagree...



Only Commander Fravor does.

quote:

Drive around this thread if you want to try to understand the phenomena


Phenomena is the plural of phenomenon.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
98125 posts
Posted on 1/18/19 at 10:16 am to
Interview with the Harvard astronomy chair referenced above. He thinks it's artificial, maybe a light sail. LINK
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