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re: Happy Reformation Day
Posted on 11/1/26 at 8:11 pm to yakster
Posted on 11/1/26 at 8:11 pm to yakster
quote:Well, evidence suggests that if that’s the way he chose to do it, then he chose the Catholic magisterium.
So God, being who he is, is not able to watch over His word, and preform it?
Because otherwise, you have the Sparkle Creed as seen above.
You really teed that one up…
Posted on 11/1/26 at 9:07 pm to meeple
It’s interesting to me that in the long run Protestantism has largely died out in Europe but the Catholic Church is still kicking.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 9:16 pm to red sox fan 13
Protestantism leans heavily on a modern approach to truth, historicity, and thinking in general, which ironically undercuts its very dogma (unless you’re either ok with cognitive dissonance or happy to stay blissfully ignorant).
In other words, Protestant theology, if there is one, certainly doesn’t help someone to keep their faith, where Catholicism is oddly more merciful in meeting the frail human where he is.
In short, here’s some emotional songs and an informative talk. See ya next week!
Salvation is by faith. Just believe. It doesn’t ultimately matter how you live.
I eventually found all of that both unsettling and lacking.
In other words, Protestant theology, if there is one, certainly doesn’t help someone to keep their faith, where Catholicism is oddly more merciful in meeting the frail human where he is.
In short, here’s some emotional songs and an informative talk. See ya next week!
Salvation is by faith. Just believe. It doesn’t ultimately matter how you live.
I eventually found all of that both unsettling and lacking.
Posted on 11/1/26 at 10:09 pm to bayoubengals88
quote:
For All The Saints
A great hymn for All Saints Day. Or anytime really.
quote:
O blest communion, fellowship divine!
We feebly struggle, they in glory shine;
yet all are one in Thee, for all are Thine.
Alleluia, Alleluia!
Posted on 11/1/26 at 10:14 pm to meeple
quote:no, thanks
Happy Reformation Day
Posted on 11/2/26 at 5:05 am to yakster
lol.
I didn’t leave God out of anything because God is in everything.
And it’s not my conversation it MY rebuttal to YOUR Bible only argument.
I didn’t leave God out of anything because God is in everything.
And it’s not my conversation it MY rebuttal to YOUR Bible only argument.
This post was edited on 11/2/26 at 12:04 pm
Posted on 11/2/26 at 6:29 am to Mr. Misanthrope
The Alleluias in that hymn absolutely SOAR!! I love it!
Posted on 11/2/26 at 9:55 am to meeple
Posted on 11/2/26 at 10:53 am to bayoubengals88
quote:
Protestantism leans heavily on a modern approach to truth, historicity, and thinking in general, which ironically undercuts its very dogma (unless you’re either ok with cognitive dissonance or happy to stay blissfully ignorant).
Interesting. I might be mistaking your meaning, but I would say it is okay to question the religion one follows.
quote:
In short, here’s some emotional songs and an informative talk. See ya next week!
Salvation is by faith. Just believe. It doesn’t ultimately matter how you live.
You're lumping all of Protestantism into this description, which is not indicative of the whole, especially the last part.
Salvation by faith? 100% You either believe or you don't, and, if you don't, nothing else saves you.
Just believe? Maybe for some. No Protestant or non-denominational pastor I've listened to has ever said just believe, and that's all there is to being a Christian.
It doesn't matter how you live? Again, none I've heard have preached that message. As a believer in Christ you are supposed to be set apart, and, while you have the ability to do as you please, you'll have the desire to do rightly. Catholicism for all it's authority and ability to help people keep their faith has had some major failings.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:17 am to SparkyWilson
quote:
In short, here’s some emotional songs and an informative talk. See ya next week!
Salvation is by faith. Just believe. It doesn’t ultimately matter how you live.
quote:
Just believe? Maybe for some. No Protestant or non-denominational pastor I've listened to has ever said just believe, and that's all there is to being a Christian.
quote:It's never stated. You're right about that. But when you really think about it, trying to parse the juxtaposition has given me fits.
It doesn't matter how you live? Again, none I've heard have preached that message.
The effects of "believe and be saved" have led me to doubt salvation more than feeling assured of it.
It began with Jordan Peterson (who has sadly gone off the rails) continually pressing folks on what they meant by belief.
So I started thinking...hmm...how does correct belief, between the ears, tap into Christ's promise of eternal salvation?
Am I claiming to be saved by a propositional statement?
I know, I know, we must trust in Christ to do it.
But how am I joined to that promise by holding to a proposition?
To me, that simply causes constant self auditing and doubt.
I want reasons and things that I can point to that assure ME that my belief is real, present, active, and in line with what Christ has commanded. Most of protestantism has failed at providing any such help.
They say that works are fruit of salvation, but the detail is often lacking, and it's going to be different for everyone. And at the same time, they'll tell you that your works contribute nothing to salvation, which is technically true but again, unhelpful. It's a lot to hold together.
Does this kind of theology work? Is it useful? Does it allow for a sustainable faith?
I've found it lacking as a way to live out one's faith.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:19 am to bayoubengals88
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I want reasons and things that I can point to that assure ME that my belief is real, present, active, and in line with what Christ has commanded. Most of protestantism has failed at providing any such help.
Then that's what you need. Not everybody does.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:22 am to bayoubengals88
Schaeffer says that one makes the double bow in conversion, first the intellectual, then the knee as in an ontological change of action. Such as, belief according to Judaism is manifested through action and never purely conceptual. Or as Jerram Barrs states, “Justification through faith alone, but faith is never alone”
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:32 am to SparkyWilson
quote:Interesting pastoral response.
Then that's what you need. Not everybody does.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:39 am to Alyosha
quote:I'm not sure how this is comforting.
Or as Jerram Barrs states, “Justification through faith alone, but faith is never alone”
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:40 am to bayoubengals88
Meaning “works” are a natural outflow of genuine faith.
Sounds like you’re looking for the doctrine of assurance?
Sounds like you’re looking for the doctrine of assurance?
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:43 am to bayoubengals88
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Then that's what you need. Not everybody does.
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Interesting pastoral response.
It's not a negative statement.
Is this a one size fits all for everyone?
I'm not here to say Catholicism or Protestantism is the only way. I don't have anything against either except when their adherents try assert one's validity over the other.
There's one way to the father and that's through belief in Jesus Christ. Whatever it takes to get someone there, I'm supportive.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:44 am to meeple
My all powerful space deity is better than your all powerful space deity. 
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:46 am to Alyosha
quote:I'm just trying to find out if there's any reason for anyone to be a protestant anymore.
Sounds like you’re looking for the doctrine of assurance?
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:50 am to SparkyWilson
quote:How does it work for you?
There's one way to the father and that's through belief in Jesus Christ. Whatever it takes to get someone there, I'm supportive.
Posted on 11/2/26 at 11:54 am to bayoubengals88
quote:
There's one way to the father and that's through belief in Jesus Christ. Whatever it takes to get someone there, I'm supportive.
quote:
How does it work for you?
I believe.
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