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re: Guy refuses to be tested for coronavirus in hospital, fights hospital staff (Video)
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:15 pm to mikelbr
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:15 pm to mikelbr
quote:Bruh, prisoner rights are strong as shite and you don’t frick with that.
Scruffy is stupid and wrong if he was was an inmate or detained. Notice the cop and body cam?
They have no less rights than any other citizen and have a full legal industry to fight for them.
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Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:16 pm to stickly
quote:
bullshite. His rights end when it can negatively affect someone else. This libertarian ideal of ‘I can do whatever I want’ is misguided and incorrect.
They literally cannot force you to undergo treatment. They can ask you to leave and quarantine yourself, but they literally cannot force you to do something to your body against your will.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:16 pm to John88
He's revolutionary and an obvious member of the new strain of OG, the MS-19.
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 10:17 pm
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:17 pm to John88
The phone falls down before the fight happens at about 17 mins
Dude is dumb as frick and thinks he’s Smart
Dude is dumb as frick and thinks he’s Smart
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:18 pm to Scruffy
quote:
They have no less rights than any other citizen and have a full legal industry to fight for them.
And they’re a hell of a lot more likely to exercise those rights with some bullshite allegations. Prisoners don’t care whether they win or lose, but any time out of a cell is a win for them and will take up as much time as they need for any bullshite reason to drag an illusion of freedom out.
I don’t think the guy in this video is a prisoner though.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:18 pm to WaydownSouth
quote:It is as if these people know nothing.
They literally cannot force you to undergo treatment. They can ask you to leave and quarantine yourself, but they literally cannot force you to do something to your body against your will.
They talk about slippery slope...
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:20 pm to Scruffy
But if he - like they said - wasn't in a state of mind to make medical decisions on his own, what's your rule?
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:23 pm to WaydownSouth
A test to find out if you are sick is not a ‘procedure’.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:24 pm to John88
Did we ever find out what a revolution is?
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:26 pm to Sao
quote:If he is mentally unfit to make medical decisions, the hospital is permitted to make them in your best interest, like Scruffy posted earlier, but they better have sufficient evidence of that.
But if he - like they said - wasn't in a state of mind to make medical decisions on his own, what's your rule?
Refusing a test or even believing that the coronavirus isn’t real is not sufficient in and of itself.
Hell, if you really wanted to get an interesting discussion going, why would it be unacceptable to refuse a test, resulting in a loss of rights, but completely acceptable for someone to refuse testing you, and they receive no loss of rights?
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 10:27 pm
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:27 pm to Scruffy
So, a 48 hour mental health hold. That can happen, correct?
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:28 pm to John88
Dude sounds legit insane
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:29 pm to Scruffy
I’ll be honest: in my ER, even in someone 100% mentally incompetent, if someone was yelling and screaming they don’t want a test, we would be like alright bye and AMA that fricker unless they were an Ehold. And we damn sure still wouldn’t just give them a test just because even if they were a hold.
There is something else going on here; either that or they realllly fricked up
There is something else going on here; either that or they realllly fricked up
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 10:30 pm
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:32 pm to Tiguar
quote:
There is something else going on here; either that or they realllly fricked up
This. We clearly don't know the whole story here.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:33 pm to Sao
quote:Yes, if there is sufficient evidence to do so, as I previously stated.
So, a 48 hour mental health hold. That can happen, correct?
These are not things you can just throw around without justification.
People have been remanded to state custody for things like TB treatment but it takes a court order to do so.
And this is a wholly different situation.
If he is positive, will they physically restrain/quarantine him?
Where are we actually going as a society if we completely disregard our civil liberties out of fear?
This post was edited on 4/2/20 at 10:34 pm
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:33 pm to John88
That is a typical psych patient attention seeking probably. A psych patient needs to be medically screened which today I am sure requires a Covid test. But also blood “you ain’t sticking anything in my arm” and worse a urine sample for drug screen.
This is a worse case scenario though and it happens somewhere everyday. My ER days of wrestling a big boy like that are behind me. It’s just not worth it to fight someone like that and get injured or injure yourself all for a hospital that will not back you. That guy needs immediate arrest and then he can talk to a lawyer. Jails have suicide watch too. But they have suicide smocks and suicide chairs.
An average ER psych patients stay in the ED is 24-36 hours IF cooperative. This guy will need a psych bed, judge, and a signed Emergency Detention order. That’s probably 3-4 days here in Houston.
This is a worse case scenario though and it happens somewhere everyday. My ER days of wrestling a big boy like that are behind me. It’s just not worth it to fight someone like that and get injured or injure yourself all for a hospital that will not back you. That guy needs immediate arrest and then he can talk to a lawyer. Jails have suicide watch too. But they have suicide smocks and suicide chairs.
An average ER psych patients stay in the ED is 24-36 hours IF cooperative. This guy will need a psych bed, judge, and a signed Emergency Detention order. That’s probably 3-4 days here in Houston.
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:34 pm to stickly
quote:
A test to find out if you are sick is not a ‘procedure’.
You still have to violate someone. And swab inside their nose or mouth.
Again the guy might be a psych patient and it may be necessary.
But if someone is sick, they go to the hospital, they find out what has to be done, you cannot force them to do anything. I work in healthcare. I know the daily stresses nurses, doctors, pharmacists, etc go through daily. I’d never sue anyone for a mistake. But if I got held down against my will, I’d own that facility.
Look these covid tests they do, they do a nasopharyngeal swab. shite feels like they are touching your brain. It is very uncomfortable. TBH I’d rather fight the symptoms than have a q-tip jammed up to the back of my nose
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:35 pm to Scruffy
quote:
Where are we actually going as a society if we completely disregard our civil liberties out of fear?
But it's not against the law to be bi-polar. Or borderline personality. Isn't a 48 hour mental health hold against civil liberties?
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:37 pm to John88
20 minute video
Come on man
Come on man
Posted on 4/2/20 at 10:37 pm to stickly
quote:Yes it is.
A test to find out if you are sick is not a ‘procedure’.
Every test requires “informed consent”.
quote:
The legal doctrine of informed consent can be traced back to the post-World War II Nuremburg Code, a set of guidelines drafted to ensure that unethical “medical” experiments were no longer carried out in the name of science. The doctrine is founded on the general principle that a person of the age of majority and sound mind has a legal right to determine what may be done to his or her body [1]. Thus, when a patient is subjected to a procedure he or she has not agreed to, the physician performing that procedure is violating the patient’s legal rights and may be subject to medical malpractice litigation, removal from preferred-provider lists, or the loss of hospital privileges.
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