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re: Grand Jury indicts 300 Catholic Priests in PA for sexual related charges
Posted on 8/15/18 at 7:56 am to schexyoung
Posted on 8/15/18 at 7:56 am to schexyoung
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Its not about the priests, bishops or the Pope. Its about communion.
You have to go through the priest to get it. Catholicism is just religious bureaucracy. Why go through 10 layers of middle management when I can just talk to the CEO?
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Posted on 8/15/18 at 7:59 am to IT_Dawg
Whoa is me! I am a catholic! We do no wrong!
Except our priest diddle little kids, the same people who say mentally handicapped people can not receive communion because they are not of sound body and mind.
Except our priest diddle little kids, the same people who say mentally handicapped people can not receive communion because they are not of sound body and mind.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:12 am to SW2SCLA
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The priests who have committed these horrible acts will have to answer to the god they claimed to serve, but that doesn't mean there aren't a lot of good priests put there
There are a lot of excellent priests. The church stretches them too thin when they have to take the crappy ones away.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:14 am to sugar71
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There are adult Male / Female parishioners , clergy , etc...........that they can have discreet sexual relations with.
That’s actually very common. The priest that handled by Baptism is married with three kids and at least one grand kid now.
He’s not a priest anymore obviously.
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 8:18 am
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:25 am to member12
Church has already funded BILLIONS in settlements. How do church going tithers justify putting money in the basket knowing that some portion of that is going towards funding diddler settlements?
Posted on 8/15/18 at 8:55 am to dewster
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This will be my only contribution to this thread. I am Catholic. My parents are Catholic. All but one of my grandparents were Catholic. I was married in the Catholic Church. I went to Catholic school. My kids will be raised as Catholics. But it’s really hard to be a Catholic knowing that this is going on and how the church is handling this. In most cases, the Catholic Church thinks in terms of centuries while the rest of us live day by day. Yet with this this issue, they are extremely short sighted. If they want to retain a big, powerful presence in the developed world in 100-200 years, they need to investigate and expel proven abusers from their positions (and in some cases turn them in to law enforcement) instead of attempting to reform and relocate them. Deal with a shortage of priests in the short term and rely on deacons and other clergy if they have to. It’s a church made up of people, so it won’t be perfect....but its secretive nature has attracted bad apples. It cannot be treated as a quarter for people like that. Put in the effort to investigate accusations instead of just moving the priests around. The practice of avoiding a serious investigation and moving priests to another parish or attempting to reform them is lazy and damaging.
Why should they go through the trouble when sheep; sorry, people like you continue to follow no matter what?
Posted on 8/15/18 at 9:01 am to IT_Dawg
im shocked 
whats actually shocking to me is that people just blindly dismiss the thought of the elite people like the clintons, podestas, and the rest of the super elite are impervious to this kind of world of pedophilia
whats actually shocking to me is that people just blindly dismiss the thought of the elite people like the clintons, podestas, and the rest of the super elite are impervious to this kind of world of pedophilia
Posted on 8/15/18 at 9:48 am to dewster
It is sad the credibility of the Church has collapsed the way it has.
The world needs a strong, credible Catholic Church.
The Church, IMHO, has dogma issues. For example, transubstantiation, it was this stance that stopped my conversion to Catholicism. While I am quite willing to believe that transubstantiation occurs I am not willing to believe that it only occurs upon the prayers of the sinner priest. My own prayers, sinner that I am, should be adequate. When I understood that not only did they believe in transubstantiation but they also believed that communion itself played a role in salvation I decided the role of the priest was far too important in the Church and the importance comes from dogma and is not scriptural or even divinely revealed. The Church itself debated transubstantiation for decades.
This overall importance assigned to Priest is the underlying reason the Church has not really moved to prosecute these scandals. What they did to protect Cardinal Law should have caused an uprising within the Church. What is instead happening is the Church is losing credibility and enthusiasm among it's own members.
It is an institutional thing and the defenders will not admit it nor do they know of any alternatives. The concept of Martin Luther that "every man his own priest" is foreign to a cradle Catholic and they have been taught that is an admonition. (Before Vatican II they believed protestants were destined for hell.)
They should deal harshly with their own offenders.
It is sad and I pray for the Church.
The world needs a strong, credible Catholic Church.
The Church, IMHO, has dogma issues. For example, transubstantiation, it was this stance that stopped my conversion to Catholicism. While I am quite willing to believe that transubstantiation occurs I am not willing to believe that it only occurs upon the prayers of the sinner priest. My own prayers, sinner that I am, should be adequate. When I understood that not only did they believe in transubstantiation but they also believed that communion itself played a role in salvation I decided the role of the priest was far too important in the Church and the importance comes from dogma and is not scriptural or even divinely revealed. The Church itself debated transubstantiation for decades.
This overall importance assigned to Priest is the underlying reason the Church has not really moved to prosecute these scandals. What they did to protect Cardinal Law should have caused an uprising within the Church. What is instead happening is the Church is losing credibility and enthusiasm among it's own members.
It is an institutional thing and the defenders will not admit it nor do they know of any alternatives. The concept of Martin Luther that "every man his own priest" is foreign to a cradle Catholic and they have been taught that is an admonition. (Before Vatican II they believed protestants were destined for hell.)
They should deal harshly with their own offenders.
It is sad and I pray for the Church.
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 10:35 am
Posted on 8/15/18 at 10:02 am to Sneaky__Sally
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Hard to really trust the numbers given the Catholic Church's seemingly systemic and long running problem with covering up such incidents
That’s fair. I prefer to trust numbers from insurance carriers who have to pay for these horrific acts. They suggest higher numbers for Protestants than Catholics. One is way too many, regardless of the religion. It happens in every religion and walk of society. People just jump all over Catholics about it and nobody ever mentions Protestants or Buddhists. Protestants are just better at covering it up.
Wartburgwatch Protestant Sex Abuse
Protestant Coverup
Buddhist Sex Harrassment Allegations
Posted on 8/15/18 at 10:24 am to IT_Dawg
Anyone who still attends and tithes at a Catholic Church is openly supporting and funding pedophilia
Posted on 8/15/18 at 10:26 am to JumpingTheShark
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The ones who take celibacy seriously and do the right thing don’t seem to have a problem with it...
all 4 of them...
Posted on 8/15/18 at 10:44 pm to IT_Dawg
I have nothing constructive to add to this thread. I just wanted to find a place where I could say that if I ever got my hands on any of the people involved in this, I'd rip their dick off and curbstomp it through the back of their head.
Posted on 8/15/18 at 11:39 pm to I B Freeman
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The world needs a strong, credible Catholic Church.
Why? If the Catholic church ceased to exist tomorrow Christianity would go on just fine.
ETA. Christianity would actually be stronger if Catholicism died tomorrow.
This post was edited on 8/15/18 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 8/16/18 at 2:29 am to go ta hell ole miss
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That’s fair. I prefer to trust numbers from insurance carriers who have to pay for these horrific acts. They suggest higher numbers for Protestants than Catholics. One is way too many, regardless of the religion. It happens in every religion and walk of society. People just jump all over Catholics about it and nobody ever mentions Protestants or Buddhists. Protestants are just better at covering it up.
So the Catholic church is no worse than anyone else, that makes it all ok?
Posted on 8/16/18 at 5:06 am to EA6B
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So the Catholic church is no worse than anyone else, that makes it all ok?
You must have missed the part where I suggested these were “horrific acts”. Know it was late for you. Get some rest.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 6:00 am to IT_Dawg
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Damn. I hope they are going to hell.
IT_Dawg, would you mind directing me where there were 300 priests indicted? I think charges were only filed against two. This is a pretty huge disparity. Not suggesting you are purposely lying, and you may we’ll have info that i simply have not been able to find, but I have not seen anything stating 300 priests were indicted.
Thanks in advance.
This post was edited on 8/16/18 at 6:02 am
Posted on 8/16/18 at 6:05 am to IT_Dawg
religion needs to die
Posted on 8/16/18 at 6:24 am to IT_Dawg
Burn it to the ground. That diocese(s) should be obliterated forever.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:15 am to go ta hell ole miss
I think the report only named (not indicted) 300.
That being said, I read through some of it and it’s pretty graphic.
That being said, I read through some of it and it’s pretty graphic.
Posted on 8/16/18 at 8:25 am to JumpingTheShark
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The ones who take celibacy seriously and do the right thing don’t seem to have a problem with it...
They just drink at home alone.
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