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re: Gov. Landry has pulled the plug on Louisiana’s biggest coastal project, Tulane expert says

Posted on 11/26/24 at 4:59 pm to
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
17679 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 4:59 pm to
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This is correct - anything over the allocated 2.9 or 3 billion or however much would (at this point) be owed by the state.

To add on, the additional costs owed by the state could be paid from the Coastal Protection and Restoration Fund, which has dedicated funding sources, mostly from GOMESA offshore O&G revenue sharing. And NOT the state general fund or tax dollars.
Posted by Flablete
in the SEC
Member since Aug 2021
1106 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 5:28 pm to
This is finally an actual smart move by the Governor. Project would have made less than 1 square mile of land per year....

Dredging is the answer..not Diverting
This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 5:30 pm
Posted by wasteland
City of peace
Member since Apr 2011
5918 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 5:33 pm to
Can’t he just send some rented tiger there to fix this?
Posted by Tarps99
Lafourche Parish
Member since Apr 2017
12693 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 6:24 pm to
Dredging is what got us into this mess. Dredging thousands of miles of canals to reach oil and gas reserves in under the coastal marshes is what got us into this mess.

Without a steady stream of fresh water and sediment our marshes are dying.

Dredging will only get you so far as to rebuilding land. If you build too high the wrong plants grow and the land eventually erodes. If you are too low, the plants don’t grow and the land eventually erodes too.


My issue with the project is that it is too dependent on large hard structures that helped to inflate the cost of the project. I understand that you need bridges to relocate the roads and train tracks. But a concrete lined canal and pumps to take Mississippi River water out is too much. A weir could have sufficed and only allow water to enter the basin if water reaches a certain height. That way it mimics the natural flow, and allows periods of high salinity when the river is low. An earthen levee would have been enough.
This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 6:40 pm
Posted by The Cool No 9
70816
Member since Jan 2014
11146 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 7:27 pm to
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Recall him.

He’s killing the new bridge in Baton Rouge too. frick him.
He is??? In place of what is more important than that?
Posted by AngelBaby
Heaven
Member since Nov 2007
278 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 9:05 pm to
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Graves and Carter’s Offshore Parity Act passes


Benefit or not, Watch for Scalise to crush it to make sure Graves gets NO win on the way out the door.
Posted by KamaCausey_LSU
Member since Apr 2013
17679 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 9:15 pm to
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He’s killing the new bridge in Baton Rouge too. frick him.
He is??? In place of what is more important than that?

His Tax Plan. They're sending $ meant to partially fund the bridge into the general fund for at least the next 2 years in order to cover the potential budget shortfall.

Eta: I think if there's a surplus, they pinky promised to pay some of it back instead of spending it on pet projects.
This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 9:24 pm
Posted by MelGibsonPatriotGif
America
Member since Nov 2020
780 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 9:17 pm to
Better than JBE
Posted by Tigeralum2008
Yankees Fan
Member since Apr 2012
17714 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 9:19 pm to
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Landry told a Senate committee in Baton Rouge last Thursday that the $3.1 billion diversion would destroy Louisiana’s culture.


Aren’t we losing about a football field of land per day by doing nothing? How is that impacting “Louisiana Culture”?
Posted by DMAN1968
Member since Apr 2019
13232 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 9:22 pm to
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Do y’all know how small 21 square miles is?


A 3 mile wide strip of land from Joshua's Marina all the way out to the barrier islands and a hair beyond.

Not so small when you look at it that way.

Also...Bermuda is 21 square miles in size.

Maybe some folks don't realize how big 21 square miles can be.
Posted by red sox fan 13
Valley Park
Member since Aug 2018
19165 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 9:43 pm to
If you’re going to shut this down I want to see an alternative on the table. It is an undeniable fact that this state is losing land, rapidly. Who gives a damn about camps and how far out fishermen have to go when those communities won’t even exist in 50 years (and that’s generous), whether it be because of erosion, hurricanes or insurance. It all ties together. Levees need to be destroyed and nature needs to take its course but if this is getting shut down there’s no way in hell that ever happens. I love my home state, but damn, it’s a snake eating its tail and has been for pretty much its entire history.
Posted by Sasquatch Smash
Member since Nov 2007
25915 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 9:45 pm to
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Maybe some folks don't realize how big 21 square miles can be.


Nope. According to the Wiki, the land area of Grand Isle is <7 square miles. How big, when you’re on it, do you find Grand Isle to be?
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
2529 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 10:26 pm to
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I have listened to both sides of this and to potentially get 21 miles over 50 years and possibly destroy our fishing industry may not be worth it. The opponents say we can dredge and use thats to build land without damage to the fishing industry and make more land cheaper. Let’s be honest as very few people on this board include myself are coastal engineers or commercial, fisherman, and really understand the impact of this to really give a opinion whether there is the right move or not


You don't need to be a coastal engineer to understand and inherently know what udtiger eloquently stated:

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This project was an attempt to recreate, in small measure, the natural process that literally built south Louisiana. Constraining the Mississippi River within the levee system signed the death warrant for the state. Digging canals throughout the area allowed salt water intrusion and has accelerated the land loss, but make no mistake, it is SUBSIDENCE coupled with no new sediment that is killing south Louisiana.


This is the correct answer. It's basically a compromise since blowing up the levees isn't feasible.

Of course the fishermen that complain about this project are also the ones that bitch about coastal erosion.

quote:

Let’s be honest as very few people on this board include myself are coastal engineers


Although technically I'm not a Coastal Engineer, I did complete Old Dominion University's Coastal Engineering Master's Certificate program several years ago.


This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 10:30 pm
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
2529 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 10:39 pm to
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That was my thought. I would like to see a graph of projected money spent vs land added. There has to be a better value in there than that.


Essentially you have to choose losing the coastline and its benefits or protecting the current industry. Today we have oyster leases on the same land that was cotton farms in the early 1900's. Garrett Graves showed pictures of cotton farms in Leeville, LA taken in early 1900's.
This post was edited on 11/26/24 at 10:40 pm
Posted by SwampGar
Texas
Member since Jan 2020
1481 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 10:48 pm to
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Agree JBE did just that


Superb. What does that have to do with this thread?
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41052 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:12 pm to
The culture of South LA will be non-existent when it is under water.

But I guess by that time, Landry will be dead or at least no longer in politics.

It is beyodn absurb that a few fishermen with a 6th grade education are being taken more seriously than 100s of experts in the fields of geology.

But that's how LA poltics works. The dumber you are, the more peope listen.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41052 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:14 pm to
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3 billion for 21 square miles over 50 years doesn't sound like a good use of taxpayer money .


Isn't this BP money and not taxpayer money?

Also, this is net 21 square miles. Without this, we will lose a lot more.
Posted by armytiger96
Member since Sep 2007
2529 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:16 pm to
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Open up bayou lafourche at donaldsonville and let nature do its thing like it intended.


Mother nature moved the river away from Bayou Lafourche at Donaldsonville long before man was fricking with her. Just like she moved away from Bayous Terrebone, Vermillion, Teche, etc. The levees just ensured Bayou LaFourche was no longer a spill way or what we call a Diversion Project.

If we let mother nature go the way she wants which currently would be down the Atchafalaya thanks to Captain Shreve. It would destroy Morgan City, New Orleans, and every community along the MS river south of the Red River control station.
This post was edited on 11/27/24 at 12:08 am
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41052 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:18 pm to
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I’m not sure of the details, but saving 3.1 billion seems like a decent idea


We aren't saving anything.

The 3.1 billion will go to another project, probably in another state.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
41052 posts
Posted on 11/26/24 at 11:22 pm to
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Open up bayou lafourche at donaldsonville and let nature do its thing like it intended.


I'm pretty sure that would also destory the "culture" that Landry is trying to protect.
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