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re: Gov. Abbott is sending out a serious warning
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:21 am to mmmmmbeeer
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:21 am to mmmmmbeeer
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I don't know why everyone keeps blaming protests. There were protests around the entire country. And those protesting were nearly all wearing masks. It couldn't be more obvious that the uptick is due to the reopening, not protests.
As mentioned, Austin has not seen the increases that other cities have seen. People in Austin wear masks.
Find the research that says masks do much of anything. (See the Scandinavian countries, not only Sweden by the way, that aren't recommending the wearing of masks by healthy people.)
Reopening has been going on nationwide, in some form or fashion, for nearly two months now. Why are we only now, in the last 10-days or so, seeing increases?
Hospital numbers is a lagging feature. What was going on the weeks before this increase?
Multiple factors are at play, but no one wants to point out obvious things and only want to blame re-opening. Not to mention parts of Texas, Harris County (Houston) and Travis County (Austin), were slower to open than other parts of the nation, yet they are still seeing these "spikes."
Check out this twitter for reference.
This post was edited on 6/26/20 at 10:24 am
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Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:32 am to Salmon
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trying to deny that protests almost assuredly aided in the spread of the virus is just pure political hackery
You're right....I'm sure it's contributed in some sense. That said, protests have occurred around the country whereas cases are not spiking in the large majority of those same places. There's a much, much stronger correlation between "opening" and spikes than there is protests and spikes.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:39 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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Mounting Evidence Published by an Anti-Imigration Group Points to Covid Refugees from Mexico as a Major Factor in Border-State Spikes
For some reason, you failed to include the words in bold.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:40 am to mmmmmbeeer
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That said, protests have occurred around the country whereas cases are not spiking in the large majority of those same places.
So? There could be other mitigating circumstances in those cities, like the size of their initial outbreak.
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There's a much, much stronger correlation between "opening" and spikes than there is protests and spikes.
Is there?
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:40 am to Sasquatch Smash
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Find the research that says masks do much of anything
I mean, there are studies that have popped up left and right stating as much. Below are a few but try to inform yourself instead of relying on the hacks here on TD to offer you medical advice.
Mayo Clinic
CDC
National Academy of Sciences
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:46 am to mmmmmbeeer
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That said, protests have occurred around the country whereas cases are not spiking in the large majority of those same places.
reopening has begun to happen in some form in all 50 states as well, and not all have spikes
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There's a much, much stronger correlation between "opening" and spikes than there is protests and spikes.
or, just like before, this spreads through hot spots and we will continue to see these flare ups over and over again as we begin to open up
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:47 am to mmmmmbeeer
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hacks here on TD
you're always welcome to leave.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:48 am to Sasquatch Smash
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And I’m not suggesting it’s illegal immigrants.
Everyone knows its the Messicans.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:48 am to TH03
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So what about previous spikes in Louisiana or New York? Or Florida right now?
Messicans!
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:50 am to mmmmmbeeer
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I mean, there are studies that have popped up left and right stating as much. Below are a few but try to inform yourself instead of relying on the hacks here on TD to offer you medical advice.
Mayo Clinic - cites no research
CDC - recommendations are not research; didn't check the citations at the bottom in full, but the titles mention nothing about mask effectiveness
National Academy of Sciences - uses correlation as evidence; despite other factors likely being at play. Specifically they examined Italy and New York, which had those steep, scary epidemic curves. Face coverings might have helped, but decent shot the virus was slowing down for other reasons by the time the policies were enacted.
Where are the empirical/experimental studies for mask efficacy?
Don't get me wrong, I do believe masks probably work on the population level and wear a mask when I need to, but the actual evidence is lacking for it to be a point of policy or a smoking gun.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:50 am to TH03
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The liberals say he’s worthless and hasn’t done shite but deflect the blame.
The conservatives will now crush him for using a second lockdown as leverage.
He might just be losing everyone now.
Exactly. Its a beta cuck move to be "in the middle". frick that. Pick a side bitch.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:51 am to JayDeerTay84
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Exactly. Its a beta cuck move to be "in the middle". frick that. Pick a side bitch.
His little team of image ambassadors will think of something. I expect a big roll out...
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:52 am to ShaneTheLegLechler
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Spikes are happening mainly in the big 4 metro areas from what I understand which aside from San Antonio are not the areas you’re referencing re migration
Uh, what? Yes, the main metro areas of DFW, Houston and Austin are all big remigration areas.
I have no position on whether the Messicans are actually causing this, but you are just wrong about remigration.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:53 am to Salmon
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or, just like before, this spreads through hot spots and we will continue to see these flare ups over and over again as we begin to open up
Europe and Asia have seen small spikes here and there but, for the most part, what is happening in America is unique to most other developed countries. Why? Masks, cautious openings, widespread testing. Our testing is finally getting up to par but we, the people, aren't doing enough to appreciate that we each play a role in stopping the spread.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:54 am to Sasquatch Smash
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Sasquatch Smash
Agree to disagree. I do appreciate you at least checking out the links....most folks here don't seem to make an effort to read something that counters their opinions.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 10:57 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Agree to disagree
You disagree with the fact that none of those are actual studies because that's just a fact.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:00 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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You disagree with the fact that none of those are actual studies because that's just a fact.
The PNAS links to a study. I mean, I didn't link to actual studies because no one is going to read the shite, much less make sense of it if they're not an MD.
Feel free to Google for yourself....there are numerous white papers out there for your reading pleasure.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:03 am to mmmmmbeeer
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Europe and Asia have seen small spikes here and there but, for the most part, what is happening in America is unique to most other developed countries. Why?
because we were more lax in our restrictions than most other countries
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Our testing is finally getting up to par but we, the people, aren't doing enough to appreciate that we each play a role in stopping the spread.
yeah...like massive, country wide protests...
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:05 am to RedRifle
I know how to get rid of COVID-19, but no one will listen to me. Get the black people to permanently protest and riot. COVID-19 went away for three full weeks last time that happened. Like as not it will go away again.
Posted on 6/26/20 at 11:05 am to mmmmmbeeer
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I mean, I didn't link to actual studies because no one is going to read the shite, much less make sense of it if they're not an MD.
I looked at all of the actual studies. The CDC studies were simply about asymptomatic spread.
The NAS study was terrible. Seriously, read it and tell me its a well rounded study.
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