re: Got fired today

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try burst fracture, spinal fusion and bulging discs

I still deadlift 600 pounds for reps and make it to work every day.

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Not aimed at anyone in general but freshly separated military people are notoriously bad employees for the first couple of years (and usually several jobs) into their private sector careers. The longer they have been in and the younger they were in the worse they are. It is not their fault, they are not bad people because of it, it is just the culture of the military which robs them of the experience of learning to fight and scratch for their jobs from an early age.

While in the military they worked for a company that has 2 very unique qualities not found anywhere in the private sector, even government service. The military has no profit motive. None. They are also accustomed to having more money in the budget than they know what to do with. They never had a problem that could not be fixed by tossing unlimited money at it. Neither of those situations exist outside of the military. Again, not the fault of the people, its the nature of the beast. These two facts lead to a very strange management philosophy that will not translate at all to the private sector. Being managed in that environment also does not translate at all.

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you're over-generalizing a little, in my opinion, but what you say is accurate to a large degree, especially regarding profit motive and budgets. it's hard to shift your mindset to think like that. that said, military guys tend to bring a "get it done" attitude that a lot of non-military guys dont have. the most successful guys are the ones who quickly learn that the trick is to "get it done" but also to do so under budget constraints. in the military, the priority is mission accomplishment. in the private sector, the priority is staying under budget (making money).

other strengths a lot of military guys can bring is an ability to manage people well. this obviously varies widely by the individual - a drill instructor probably wont do great if he cant transition from that mentality, but a guy that has been a platoon sergeant or a platoon commander is likely pretty good at management people - basic leadership.

weaknesses exist for sure - we get a ton of time off in the military. like, a TON. 30 days paid leave every year, 4 day weekends for virtually every holiday that exists and then some others that literally no one else gets off for, plus going to the gym or for a run in the middle of the workday is usually accepted if not celebrated, leaving early or coming in late for family stuff is usually fine, spending an entire day "at medical". this does not translate AT ALL to the civilian work force / private sector.

another weakness is that a lot of vets have a sense of entitlement that, quite honestly, infuriates me. i could start a whole other thread on this, but i'll leave it at that.

just for context, i spent 9 years active duty, got out and worked construction management for several years, then ultimately went back active duty. the reasons i went back in vary. some of it lines up with the stuff above, some of it is jsut that i missed the camaraderie that you dont get in the private sector. i did fine in the civilian world (not great, i'm not trying to suck my own dick here), and i would have been fine if i had stayed there. i had options. ultimately though, that life just wasnt for me. i like going to the gym durign working hours too much

sorry baw but I woulda done the same. I've been in management long enough to know that if someone calls in the first week on the job it's the beginning of a pattern. Maybe not always the case...but most of the time it is.

I've also had to fire great people/employees that for legit reasons couldn't make it into work...just the way it is

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Stalks me from thread to thread over a period of years

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In your dreams, Sally.

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Progressive soiboi meltdowns

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Hmm, there is one person between the two of us who has harbored and encouraged illegal aliens. That person, however, isn't me.

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tells me I suck for encouraging a guy after he's been fired

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Nope, that's a lie and you know it. Nothing at all wrong with encouraging someone.

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brags that he doesn't know anybody successful that has been fired (super plausible)

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This is where your woman-like sensitivity is causing you some anxiety. I was not bragging. You made a statement that it's hard to find a successful person who hasn't been fired. I questioned that. You then had an overly emotional reaction (standard pattern and practice for you).

I have a few on staff and they're incredible.

There definitely is a hint of those HR creature comforts though that simply don't exist outside of government / military work environements.

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Know a Baw who owns a construction company who will not hire military. Said he made the mistake of hiring some Seabees early in his career and they were the laziest workers he’s ever hired. Different cultcha Baw.

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How large of a company?

Some of these places really throw titles around. Operations manager is normally a logistics guy and not a people leading position. A production manager is more people leading and needs to be boots on the ground to make sure the facility is running correctly. Should be making at least two rotations through the facility daily.


Perhaps it just was not working out and the boss didn’t feel you were a good fit and living up to your interview persona.

Some of the management positions can have huge negative impact with wrong person. I have also seen people in small shops in positions they should never be in. The only reason they are in the position is they accepted the below market offer.

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I've also had to fire great people/employees that for legit reasons couldn't make it into work...just the way it is

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So you've cost yourself and company untold amounts of dollars because you fired good employees that had legitimate excuses for not being at work. Sounds like you soon be fired honestly. What a dumb management style.

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Bruh that’s not sciatica, that’s an on the job injury which occurred before you were fired. Sounds like you have a solid workman’s comp and wrongful termination case.. Perhaps a discrimination claim as well since you are a veteran

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MoLiberty

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One call, yall

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let him know, texted, MRI details

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Then frick him.
You showed responsibility. That's hard to get nowadays.
He's in the wrong here.

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i mean, it is a little noticeable that you tend to respond to him a lot

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He's my auto-down-vote stalker and he kept a mental dossier on me after I corrected him on some topic that nobody gives a shite about years ago and he follows me from thread to thread with personal insults like he needs it to survive.

Unhinged.


Although in his defense, I've rarely been without at least one mosquito buzzing around me in a Soi Rage in 20 years here. You should have been here when Rex used to discombobulate and rage against me. Gold, Jerry. Gold.
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