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re: GM, Ford are all-in on EVs..here’s how their dealers feel about it
Posted on 6/13/21 at 6:50 pm to rickgrimes
Posted on 6/13/21 at 6:50 pm to rickgrimes
An electric car would be tits for driving around town and going to work. The speed would be fun. Just not great for a road trip. Wouldn’t have it as my only vehicle. It was only a few months ago that Texas was out of power and I appreciated my gas car to warm up and charge things.
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Posted on 6/13/21 at 6:50 pm to molsusports
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I am moderately skeptical that either Ford or GM are still relevant automobile manufacturers in 20 years.
Tesla is really far ahead of not just the other American companies but also their international competition.
As primarily truck and SUV makers, Chevy, Ford, Toyota, and GMC dominate in rural and most suburban areas. Exactly where Tesla has failed to penetrate. And exactly where their own EV’s just don’t sell.
It’s not a matter of preference. It’s a matter of necessity. There are no fast chargers in most of those areas and there are no plans to install them. People tend to drive farther on more secluded roads or commute longer distances.
I realize the Feds are doing everything they can to make gasoline powered vehicles expensive and unreliable….but that’s to be expected. They resent their subjects in the flyover states and don’t understand or care why those people aren’t living the way they do. Affordable EV’s need to be able to run 400+ miles while seating the whole family. They need to be able to tow and get 350+.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 6:54 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 6:53 pm to molsusports
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Help me out.
Do your own research.
I'll give you a few directions to go.
Look up what Tesla's capacity is at their factory. Then look at how many vehicles GM, Ford, Toyota, VW etc make per year.
Look at the capacity of Tesla's battery factory. Then look up GM's current and under construction capacity. Do the same for the other manufacturers.
Look up how old the designs of the various Tesla models are. (Tesla does not know how to design for mass production either. See the fact they cannot come close to producing a number of vehicles equal to the capacity of the factory they bought from GM/Toyota. 400k is the plants capacity)
That'll be a good start for you.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 6:56 pm to member12
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There are no fast chargers in most of those areas and there are no plans to install them
You know this how
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I realize the Feds are doing everything they can to make gasoline powered vehicles expensive and unreliable….but that’s to be expected. They resent their subjects in the flyover states and don’t understand or care why those people aren’t living the way they do.
Oh nevermind, you have no intent on being honest
Posted on 6/13/21 at 6:57 pm to member12
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As primarily truck and SUV makers, Chevy, Ford, Toyota, and GMC dominate in rural and most suburban areas. Exactly where Tesla has failed to penetrate. And exactly where their own EV’s just don’t sell.
Suburban, and rural especially, simply don't matter anymore. The government will do what's necessary to make sure auto manufacturers ignore this demographic, with taxpayer dollars if they won't take a jackboot hint.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 6:58 pm to Korkstand
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The obvious answer is to decentralize power generation, mostly via home solar panels, and stored in home battery banks and EVs. This would be a much more resilient system, and it gives the individual the option of energy independence.
But something tells me you won't like that idea, either.
I can tell you right now that you do not know what the hell you are talking about. Solar and wind can't keep up with conventional electricity demand.
Electrical storage is a hope.
But the big thing is the trillions of BTUs required to move vehicles and people and cargo nation wide 24/7/365. The infrastructure is maxed out know. If everyone plugs in at 2 times a day (when you get to work and when you get home), this will require a 200% increase in the capacity to deliver high quality steady electrical energy.
The system will still need 100% back up conventional capacity for when this pipe dream screws up.
This is political and those CEOs are being corrupted by the ChiComs, who would love to frick you up.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 6:59 pm to Centinel
Unfortunately for those agencies, cars are not really needed for most suburban parents at this point. White collar jobs are going remote. Will see if that trend reverses I have my doubts as that is an efficient way to increase benefits without hitting your P&L.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 7:00 pm to Korkstand
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But something tells me you won't like that idea, either.
I simply have one question for you, that will tell me all that I need to know:
Are you for the increased investment and cutting of red tape for next-gen (LFTR) reactors?
Posted on 6/13/21 at 7:00 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Oh nevermind, you have no intent on being honest
You aren’t even going to attempt to argue my point? Must be unable to debate it because you know damn well that it’s true.
Look what they did with Diesel engines? Look what they are doing right now with CAFE standards.
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You know this how
Fast charging stations are extremely rare the farther away from the interstate you get. Small towns are off the map…not only for fast charging stations, and Tesla’s superchargers but for Tesla’s solar shingles as well.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 7:02 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 7:00 pm to rickgrimes
The unfortunate part is this is a government forced transition.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 7:02 pm to member12
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As primarily truck and SUV makers, Chevy, Ford, Toyota, and GMC dominate in rural and most suburban areas. Exactly where Tesla has failed to penetrate. And exactly where their own EV’s just don’t sell.
We'll see over the next ten plus years. As you point out adoption and infrastructure will develop more slowly in less densely populated regions.
ICE technology would not be replaced immediately and probably not completely. But technology moves more quickly when there are good reasons. Some of your (perfectly good) concerns about EVs kinda apply to what traditional phone companies like AT&T probably argued about cell phones in the 90s.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 7:03 pm to member12
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You aren’t even going to attempt to argue my point?
Look what they did with Diesel engines? Look what they are doing right now with CAFE standards.
Yep. Diesels have become so expensive to buy and maintain a lot of people are going back to big gassers.
Caterpillar got out of the over the road market years ago as they saw what was coming.
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Fast charging stations are extremely rare the farther away from the interstate you get. Small towns are off the map…not only for Tesla’s superchargers but for their solar shingles as well.
My small town has one charger at the community center.
And it sure isn't a Supercharger.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 7:04 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 7:03 pm to Darth_Vader
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What happens in a natural disaster situation like a hurricane where the grid in a large area gets wiped out?
I have no idea why this line of reasoning keeps coming up.
Y’all realize you can’t pump gas during a power outage either, right?
Posted on 6/13/21 at 7:03 pm to molsusports
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We'll see over the next ten plus years. As you point out adoption and infrastructure will develop more slowly in less densely populated regions.
Chicken or egg. If GM, Toyota, and Ford want to go full EV, they may need to fork over millions to install fast chargers at their outlying dealers - which collectively are the bulk of their sales.
I don’t think they are serious about it. GM in particular changes strategies every time the wind changes direction. But the Feds are clearly want EVs despite us not having the electrical grid to support them yet. We aren’t even close.
These policy makers live in major coastal metro areas. They are out of touch with a huge portion of the American public or their needs.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 7:07 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 7:06 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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Yep cotton gin and horse carriage mechanics are making bank these days!
Yup.. and when your cotton gin or carriage needs an axle, bearing surface, or any other part that has to be within thousands of an inch, you will beg for a
Machinist to do it for you!!!
I love how all the pro EV people think that all of these professions will go away. How many parts of an EV vehicle do you think are made from pure organic materials??? That answer is almost none. Other than the leather in the vehicles, everything else is carbines based...
Even the cow hide leather relies on trucks, electricity, and multitudes of other petroleum based products to make it..
You fricking climate change, free earth era!!! If you only knew what you’re asking for!!
Posted on 6/13/21 at 7:08 pm to biohzrd
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Yup.. and when your cotton gin or carriage needs an axle, bearing surface, or any other part that has to be within thousands of an inch, you will beg for a
Machinist to do it for you!!!
Don't pay Mingo any mind. He's a small angry midget who has a mental capacity less than OweOs.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 7:10 pm to biohzrd
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Yup.. and when your cotton gin or carriage needs an axle, bearing surface, or any other part that has to be within thousands of an inch, you will beg for a
Machinist to do it for you!!!
Who still has a cotton gin?
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Even the cow hide leather relies on trucks, electricity, and multitudes of other petroleum based products to make it..
Of course
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You fricking climate change, free earth era!!! If you only knew what you’re asking for!!
Im not anti petroleum. I'm just not anti EV for no reason either
Posted on 6/13/21 at 7:10 pm to biohzrd
The EV technology to go 400+ miles on a single charge is here.
It’s nowhere near affordable. But draconian fuel economy regulations on ICE vehicles will make them less competitive every year.
It’s nowhere near affordable. But draconian fuel economy regulations on ICE vehicles will make them less competitive every year.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 7:12 pm to dewster
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It’s nowhere near affordable.
It's affordable for those who want to ram this shite down everyone's throats, and that's really all that matters.
Now shut the frick up peasant.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 7:15 pm to Centinel
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Don't pay Mingo any mind. He's a small angry midget who has a mental capacity less than OweOs.
I know... Just trying to input a since of realization on this thread. EV’s will still need lubricants, shipping, waste disposal areas, and a lot more.
Let alone the fact China is the main distributor of all the heavy metals, rare earth minerals, and countless other things that go into all of these vehicles.
Let the sheeple be sheeple
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