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GM, Ford are all-in on EVs..here’s how their dealers feel about it
Posted on 6/13/21 at 2:46 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 2:46 pm
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General Motors has said it's aiming to produce only EVs by 2035, with 30 new plug-in models arriving by 2025, marking a $27-billion investment. Ford, which previously committed $22 billion to EV development, just announced that 40% of its vehicles will be electrified by 2030. Toyota, Volkswagen, Daimler, Hyundai, Fiat Chrysler, Honda and other automakers are making similar pledges.
In preparation for this onslaught of new models, franchise car dealers in the U.S. — many of them longtime small businesses located in suburban and rural communities — are gearing up. Salespeople are getting ready to put you in an EV today. And because EVs have fewer moving parts, service technicians are being trained to maintain them.
"EVs are the big issue right now," said Mark Paladino, general manager of Colonial Ford in Danbury, Connecticut, and a 40-year veteran in the business. He was still excited about Ford's debut of the F-150 Lightning pickup, an all-electric version of the best-selling vehicle line in the nation for four decades running.
"We were all in right away," Paladino said, adding that the family-owned dealership was previously trained on several gas-electric hybrid models, as well as Ford's first-ever EV, the 2021 Mustang Mach-E SUV, introduced in December. "We see EVs as a part of our business that will only get larger, and we want to be in that world."
One genuine concern for dealers, however, is the fact that EVs don't require oil changes, transmission repairs and other service owners of ICE vehicles routinely bear — and that account for 50% of dealers' gross profits. A 2019 report from AlixPartners estimates that dealers could see $1,300 less revenue in service and parts over the life of each EV they sell.
The service element doesn't necessarily worry Rita Case, CEO of Rick Case Automotive Group in Ft. Lauderdale, which represents VW, Hyundai, Honda, Audi, Mazda and other brands at its dealerships in south Florida and Atlanta. "EVs need tires, brakes, batteries, lights and some steering and drivetrain maintenance," she stated. Rick Case Auto is already selling and servicing a limited number of EVs and hybrids, but "within the last six months we've ramped up EV training for our salespeople and technicians and purchased new charging equipment" in anticipation of increased consumer demand for new electric models, Case said.
I think Ms. Rita could be in for a bit of a shock when it comes to how often EVs need (or don't need) service. Teslas don't even require any scheduled maintenance anymore. I just returned our daily commuter Chevy Bolt after a 3-yr lease and didn't even bring it in once for any kind of service in the 3 years we had it. Brakes on EVs wear much much slower than regular cars as they mostly use regenerative braking to slow down and charge the battery. There are also no transmissions to fix or replace.
A forward thinking dealership will be thinking about how to convert their massive service bays into charging stations and also adding a couple of restaurants and coffee shops for people to hang out while they wait to charge their cars. They might as well try to monetize the real estate they already have. Even McDonald's and other similar chains and large parking garages are thinking of how to leverage their physical assets/parking lots for a EV-first world that's coming in the next couple of decades.
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This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 2:54 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:01 pm to rickgrimes
*shakes fist at a cloud
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:12 pm to rickgrimes
The problem is that Audi, Jaguar, Nissan, and Chevy have all had EV’s on the market for years. Those models are selling, but they aren’t exactly flying off the lots in all of their dealer locations. They are moving in predominantly urban dealers that are in “well off” neighborhoods.
GMC, Chevy, Toyota, and Ford especially are not going to be able to rely on an exclusively EV fleet for their suburbs and rural locations for a very long time.
GMC, Chevy, Toyota, and Ford especially are not going to be able to rely on an exclusively EV fleet for their suburbs and rural locations for a very long time.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:12 pm to rickgrimes
Maybe I need to research the no transmission thing. Sounds interesting, I guess the electric motor can hit much higher RPMs.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:15 pm to member12
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The problem is that Audi, Jaguar, Nissan, and Chevy have all had EV’s on the market for years. Those models are selling, but they aren’t exactly flying off the lots in all of their dealer locations.
2 luxury brands and Nissan and Chevy are producing one electric model that's a sedan/small crossover thing.
It's unfair to say they're selling slowly because they're electric when the same class of car in traditional gas isn't very popular either
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GMC, Chevy, Toyota, and Ford especially are not going to be able to rely on an exclusively EV fleet for their suburbs and rural locations for a very long time.
What are you doing to do? Stop buying vehicles if they only buy electric?
Im not being a dick, but I assume you don't plan to stop traveling by car is gas powered isn't available
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 3:17 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:20 pm to rickgrimes
If I were a manufacturer of vehicles, I’d try and be the last one to offer traditional vehicles. I have a feeling there will be many people that will hold out on buying an EV until the very end.
When I can get unlimited range out of an EV with 5-10 min recharge like a fill up at a gas station, I’ll be more open to it.
Besides, the electrical grid/output is already stretched to its limits. Gonna be a lot of EV’s sitting around waiting to charge.
When I can get unlimited range out of an EV with 5-10 min recharge like a fill up at a gas station, I’ll be more open to it.
Besides, the electrical grid/output is already stretched to its limits. Gonna be a lot of EV’s sitting around waiting to charge.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:25 pm to rickgrimes
I'm frankly dreading a world where I can't drive from where I am in South Bend to the gulf coast without having to stop at least twice for a few hours each time for a full recharge.
Right now all I need is three 15 minute stops and I'm driving straight through.
Right now all I need is three 15 minute stops and I'm driving straight through.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:33 pm to rickgrimes
Between generating extra electricity, upgrading infrastructure, and everything else this will impact I bet we end up significantly increasing our fossil fuel usage.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:35 pm to rickgrimes
Maybe I should start an auto company and while everyone else is going the EV route in the coming years, I’ll produce good ol’ gasoline powered vehicles for red-blooded Americans.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:38 pm to junkfunky
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upgrading infrastructure
I don't think it will happen, outside of major urban centers.
Another technology will end up replacing battery cars.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:38 pm to biohzrd
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If I were a manufacturer of vehicles, I’d try and be the last one to offer traditional vehicles. I have a feeling there will be many people that will hold out on buying an EV until the very end.
The manufacturers are just getting strangled by the government. That's why it's happening.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:38 pm to biohzrd
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If I were a manufacturer of vehicles, I’d try and be the last one to offer traditional vehicles. I have a feeling there will be many people that will hold out on buying an EV until the very end.
And you would be behind all of your competitors as you are left to turn out the lights.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:40 pm to rickgrimes
This is going to be a major clusterfrick. Charge times are too long.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:47 pm to TigerFanatic99
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I'm frankly dreading a world where I can't drive from where I am in South Bend to the gulf coast without having to stop at least twice for a few hours each time for a full recharge.
I'm going to purchase an EV F150. Most of my truck driving is around my home area. I could on occasion tow a boat 50 to 60 miles in one direction so 100 to 120 miles. If I intended on hauling an RV or heavy loader use the vehicle for cross country driving I would go hybrid or ICE. Also when and if I decide to travel from NE Texas to Colorado some of those small town Ford dealers scattered up the spine of Texas will need to have fast charging stations. And Bucee's needs to get with the program also.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 3:59 pm to calcotron
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Maybe I need to research the no transmission thing. Sounds interesting, I guess the electric motor can hit much higher RPMs.
Without over generalizing too much electric motors can deliver most if not all of their available torque across their entire rpm range, AND they can have a wider RPM range than ICEs as well. you have a nice and wide power curve with a torque curve that’s relatively flat. An electric motor suitable for a vehicle with a usable range from <1 to ~8,000 Rpm and enough torque to burn the tires off the rims is not out of this world.
This post was edited on 6/13/21 at 4:00 pm
Posted on 6/13/21 at 4:04 pm to calcotron
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Maybe I need to research the no transmission thing. Sounds interesting, I guess the electric motor can hit much higher RPMs.
It’s true that they can run at much higher speeds (since they don’t have pistons/cams/etc.) but the bigger difference is that electric motors produce much more torque at low speeds. So they don’t need to be geared down to accelerate from a stop. They also don’t need to idle when stopped - a combustion engine will stall if you run it below 1,000 RPM or so, but an electric motor can go all the way down to zero then just turn off/turn back on instantly once you are ready to move again.
Posted on 6/13/21 at 4:12 pm to rickgrimes
EVs are great but what about the electrical grid? How will all the electricity needed to power be generated? Coal? Natural gas? If so what has been accomplished?
Posted on 6/13/21 at 4:14 pm to Kattail
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EVs are great but what about the electrical grid? How will all the electricity needed to power be generated? Coal? Natural gas? If so what has been accomplished?
Those and some new nuclear. And Texas can handle border to border windmills and solar panels. Tell me it's not possible!
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