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re: German auto club finds that EV charging wastes 13% of electricity used on average
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:04 pm to upgrayedd
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:04 pm to upgrayedd
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It seems like common sense that people would be using rapid charging almost exclusively during the day. Most driving is done during the day and if my battery is low I want the quickest possible option. I don't see how that's some sort of egregiously insane concept.
most people don't need rapid chargers during the day bc their battery charged overnight. the vast majority of drivers just arent traveling ranges that require daytime rapid charging. thats why its not a mic drop talking point.
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Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:04 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
quote:
. I have no interest in an EV at this point
Your midget arse couldn't reach the plug anyways.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:05 pm to upgrayedd
quote:Common sense is charging at home at night, and that's exactly what people tend to do. It is far cheaper and it makes it very unlikely that you will have a low battery during the day.
It seems like common sense that people would be using rapid charging almost exclusively during the day. Most driving is done during the day and if my battery is low I want the quickest possible option. I don't see how that's some sort of egregiously insane concept.
You legit have throw all common sense out the window to continue trying to argue this point.
quote:I'm talking about different ways to adapt, if necessary. The ability to adapt and actually help the grid is a pro, not a con.
The whole point is that you're saying that the current grid can handle everything and now you're talking about adapting to increase power output.
quote:Not only is that not likely, but it is 100% guaranteed not to happen ever. Like not even close. It is far fetched to the point of extreme absurdity.
And, like I said, I'm calculating everyone charging at a high rate at the same time because that's the most likely choice during the day and during peak power usage.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:07 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:
Well it flies in the face of how current ev owners charge their vehicles.
There really won't be a reason to quick charge outside of roadtrips.
I suppose we'll find out but I don't see that being the case.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:09 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
I suppose we'll find out but I don't see that being the case.
It's literally the case now
Again, your argument is the equivalent of saying gas powered cars don't make sense because the O&G industry doesn't have the capacity to handle everyone filling up from empty every day.
This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 3:10 pm
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:11 pm to Korkstand
quote:And I find your point dubious as well so I guess that's where we are.
Not only is that not likely, but it is 100% guaranteed not to happen ever. Like not even close. It is far fetched to the point of extreme absurdity.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:11 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:
It's literally the case now
Again, your argument is the equivalent of saying gas powered cars don't make sense because the O&G industry doesn't have the capacity to handle everyone filling up from empty every day.
I suppose we'll find out
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:12 pm to upgrayedd
quote:No bro, like less than 1%.
Ok, so instead of 10% charging at the higher rate at any one time, we may have 5%
quote:Maybe?
but we'll also have maybe 30% charging at the lower rate?
quote:And yet again, for some reason you believe that everyone has to charge at the same exact hour. There are a lot of hours in the week. I mean you understand that a car doesn't need to charge at 50kw 24/7 correct?
Just the 5% number alone exceeds the total available power in the UK example.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:13 pm to upgrayedd
His point is dubious based on what? Feelings?
Kork has presented evidence that your hypothetical scenario doesn't make any sense. Real world evidence.
What have you provided?
Kork has presented evidence that your hypothetical scenario doesn't make any sense. Real world evidence.
What have you provided?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:15 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
And I find your point dubious as well so I guess that's where we are.
Your argument boils down to not only will everyone choose the most expensive charge method that is also far less convenient than charging at home, but also that literally everyone will choose to do it at 2pm every Tuesday.
You seem to have a severe misunderstanding of the math involved. Are you the same guy who made the math error in adding up inefficiencies?
Edit: oh sorry that was notsince98. Regardless math fails are common among anti-ev folks.
This post was edited on 8/23/22 at 3:18 pm
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:19 pm to JohnnyKilroy
quote:
His point is dubious based on what? Feelings?
Kork has presented evidence that your hypothetical scenario doesn't make any sense. Real world evidence.
What have you provided?
I'm just not necessarily convinced that the current way EV's are used/charged will translate to a 1 to 1 at full scale.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:24 pm to upgrayedd
As an EV owner since the beginning of June, my experience is charging about every 6 days at home, at night. I'll typically charge from 20% to 80%, which takes approximately 6 hours. The only times I have used the Super Chargers is on out of state road trips.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:30 pm to upgrayedd
quote:It likely won't change much due to economic reasons. Charging at home is far cheaper.
I'm just not necessarily convinced that the current way EV's are used/charged will translate to a 1 to 1 at full scale.
Regardless, your math requires an inexplicable 50 fold increase in miles driven per vehicle. Where is everybody going?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:39 pm to upgrayedd
quote:
I suppose we'll find out but I don't see that being the case.
Make this make sense to me. Why would someone pay the much higher rates away from home to charge? If you could fill up your car with gas at home for $1 a gallon or away from home at $3 a gallon why would you ever fill up away from home unless it was a necessity never mind the inconvenience?
People will drive out of range on some days, forget to plug them in at night, or something else odd happening but it would be the exception vs the norm forced by the social engineering of the price difference.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:42 pm to weagle99
quote:
EV charging wastes 13% of electricity used on average
Wunderbar
frick the planetPosted on 8/23/22 at 3:45 pm to Obtuse1
quote:That's a good way to frame it. Folks are so hung up on charge times that they can't get out of the gas station way of thinking. If they could get gas for $1/gallon from a nozzle at home with the caveat that it takes all night to fill up, I'm more than sure every one of them would "plug in" every night and leave every morning with a full tank of cheap gas. Stopping at a gas station would be pretty rare.
Make this make sense to me. Why would someone pay the much higher rates away from home to charge? If you could fill up your car with gas at home for $1 a gallon or away from home at $3 a gallon why would you ever fill up away from home unless it was a necessity never mind the inconvenience?
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:56 pm to teke184
quote:Couple of things here.
People having the option of an EV is fine.
Trying to mandate EVs is fricking stupid because it does NOT work out well for day to day American life unless you live in one of a few huge cities.
You are correct, mandating is absurd. But as you see in basically every EV thread, folks simply hate EVs. Maybe that's the reason why, but again, it makes no sense because you can hate a potential mandate, but that's really not a reason to hate on EVs, but that is the reason why they do it. At best, it's not logical.
2nd, just a slight disagreement with the quoted part. For "day to day American life" an EV is perfectly fine for most, whether you live in a huge city or not. I have an EV. I do live in the burbs of a big city, but can also probably count on 1 hand the # of times I've charged in a public spot in the area I live.
A typically family is a wife/husband with a couple of kids and 2 cars. That family with the usual day to day American life can easily accommodate an EV in most situations.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:57 pm to teke184
quote:
We going to start selling 40s of gasoline?
They do in poor shite hole countries. So yes we will one day
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:58 pm to weagle99
quote:So the absolute fact that there's at worst just as much delusion on the anti-EV side...that doesn't bother you?
We are real time living through another mass delusion with these vehicles and I admit it bothers me.
And I'd argue the delusion, especially on this board, is hugely slanted towards the anti EV crowd.
Posted on 8/23/22 at 3:59 pm to Box Geauxrilla
Again i said this other day. Go to midland see how many teslas are rolling around. Its astonishing
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