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re: General Motors Won't Give Up On Sedans
Posted on 8/30/18 at 7:26 am to FightinTigersDammit
Posted on 8/30/18 at 7:26 am to FightinTigersDammit
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What happened to Ford of Europe?
Mismanagement combined with a dwindling demand for cars.
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Posted on 8/30/18 at 7:33 am to Cooter Davenport
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It’s a profit play, not a volume one.
Ford and Chevrolet have huge margins on their pickups while also dominating the Tundra in sales volume. Some analysts calculated an average of $17,000 profit on every full sized GM pickup sold. Even Chrysler is beating Toyota in full sized trucks.
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They run their San Antonio truck plant at full capacity and sell them all, quickly
Ford and GM run multiple plants at full capacity to crank out full sized trucks, and they sell them all, quickly.
Tundra is an also-ran. It will stay that way until Toyota invests in the model while everyone else improves, upgrades, and updates every 5-6 years.
Posted on 8/30/18 at 7:36 am to Ace Midnight
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I don't think that's the point
His point was that Porsche's most profitable vehicle is an SUV. It being an SUV isn't the sole reason. If Porsche made an equally affordable sedan, they would sell a lot of those too.
ETA: It's no coincidence that the Macan, which happens to be their cheapest vehicle, is their best seller each year.
This post was edited on 8/30/18 at 7:45 am
Posted on 8/30/18 at 7:39 am to member12
Yeah. Pickups are the bell cow. Sadans are in place to meet overall fuel efficiency requirements. I still can't believe people will drop 50-60k on a truck.
Posted on 8/30/18 at 7:42 am to AUCE05
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I still can't believe people will drop 50-60k on a truck.
I feel like people that make this kind of statement haven't driven a truck built this decade.
Posted on 8/30/18 at 7:46 am to LNCHBOX
I drive a new one monthly as a rental for work. All makes. They are nice. A hybrid from what I think of a truck, tho. And a bit much if you spend your time in an urban environment.
Posted on 8/30/18 at 7:48 am to LNCHBOX
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His point was that Porsche's most profitable vehicle is an SUV. It being an SUV isn't the sole reason.
Of course not, but the analysis is pretty straightforward - Porsche didn't just decide make an SUV and people bought it. People were clamoring for SUVs from everyone and Porsche decided to play - and play smartly, at more of the middle of the market.
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If Porsche made an equally affordable sedan, they would sell a lot of those too.
I just don't believe this is true. Even "affordable" sedans are losing to competing crossovers and coupes in their segments. I get what you're saying that being an SUV isn't some trump card, but frankly all other things being equal, the SUV will win every sales competition right now.
Posted on 8/30/18 at 7:48 am to AUCE05
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Yeah. Pickups are the bell cow. Sadans are in place to meet overall fuel efficiency requirements. I still can't believe people will drop 50-60k on a truck.
They are volume and margin leaders, but their sales collapse when gas prices climb or when there is any economic downturn.
GM, Toyota, and VW sedans are usually sold in hundreds of markets with only minor changes from country to country. It should be relatively easy to keep at least a few Ford sedans on the market.
Posted on 8/30/18 at 7:50 am to Ace Midnight
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Even "affordable" sedans are losing to competing crossovers and coupes in their segments.
Camry is the new Crown Vic. I think rental companies and taxi companies buy more than anyone else.
Private buyers are drifting towards crossovers.
Posted on 8/30/18 at 8:05 am to Cooter Davenport
Chrysler should be the one to give up making sedans.
Posted on 8/30/18 at 8:20 am to Tempratt
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Chrysler should be the one to give up making sedans.
The Chrysler 300 is actually a good car. I think that's the only one they make now.
Posted on 8/30/18 at 8:21 am to AUCE05
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I still can't believe people will drop 50-60k on a truck.
You don't have to pay that much, but you do have to have done research and decided on a price before setting foot in the dealership.
Biggest mistake people make.
Posted on 8/30/18 at 8:34 am to Ace Midnight
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I just don't believe this is true
How could it not be? Look at the entry level offerings from all the luxury makes.
Posted on 8/30/18 at 8:36 am to BamaCajunMan
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GM is pure Garbage.
Get a Ford.
Stop posting
Posted on 8/30/18 at 8:50 am to kywildcatfanone
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You don't have to pay that much, but you do have to have done research and decided on a price before setting foot in the dealership.
The cheap 2 wheel drive, V6 work truck is more than adequate for most pickup buyers.
Posted on 8/30/18 at 9:05 am to goofball
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Impalas are sneaky fast cars. They don’t look like they can scoot, but they can.
I drove an Impala SS one time. Loved that thing. Super quick with good torque
Posted on 8/30/18 at 9:05 am to dewster
If I were to go back to a sedan, I'd get another Toyota Avalon. Loved it but went to a truck instead.
Posted on 8/30/18 at 9:05 am to dewster
Anyone who would choose a cheap arse Chevy Malibu over an Accord, Camry, Mazda6 or even Hyundai Sonata, Kia Stinger, Optima is a complete mental midget. Cadillac makes good looking cars but still lacking & overpriced compared to competition.
This post was edited on 8/30/18 at 9:41 am
Posted on 8/30/18 at 9:38 am to NoBoBullDog
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Anyone who would choose a Chevy Malibu over an Accord, Camry or even Hyundai, Kia is a mental midget. Cadillac makes good looking cars but still lacking & overpriced compared to competition.
Have you driven one lately..?
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even Hyundai, Kia
This tells me you don't know jack shite...This post was edited on 8/30/18 at 9:41 am
Posted on 8/30/18 at 9:42 am to LNCHBOX
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It's no coincidence that the Macan, which happens to also be an SUV, is their best seller each year.
FIFY
A Macan would outsell your fictional affordable sedan easily given current market conditions. I would wager that even a slightly cheaper sedan would be outsold by the Macan. It is certainly what we see with other marques.
This post was edited on 8/30/18 at 9:43 am
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