re: Gavin McInnes: 5 Reasons Not to Ban the Confederate Flag

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So, you're criticizing this guys knowledge of the Civil War while simultaneously displaying that your own knowledge is severely lacking. Nice.

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Okay.

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5. "America was not built on slavery." 

To pretend that slavery wasn't a huge freaking part of the economy and growth of America from colonialism through the Emancipation Proclamation is intellectually dishonest or at the very least disingenuous. 

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This country got its start by using slave labor, but 95% or more of what this country is today and the infrastructure it operates on was built by free blacks, European immigrants, Latin American immigrants, and American citizens.

treedawg pours one out as mr. clean floats through the air atop an angel-winged white quarter horse

Liberals and moderates of course...only the far right wants to wave its flag.

No one is banning it anywhere. Wave it all you want. It's simply that the government shouldn't wave it.
Just because a government doesn't do something doesn't mean that it's banned...kind of like protestant fundamentalism. You can still be a fundamentalist even though the government can't jam it down the rest of our throats (although the fundamentalists claim that the government is anti-religion when it doesn't do exactly that).

OK, Mr. History...

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1. "The Civil War was an American Holocaust that should never be forgotten because a lot of people died"

Why leave up a flag just because a lot of people died fighting for what it represents? Does that make the cause admirable? Rebelling from your country and fighting a war over your ability to keep other human beings in chains and working for you isn't admirable - it's deplorable. If you want to keep it from never being forgotten - put it in a museum, you don't wave it proudly like it still represents your ideals and pride. Stupid.

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He said, "all flags on both sides." Second, did all slave owners keep their slaves in chains? Did the black slave owners too?

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2. "Civil War was not about slavery"

Know how I know this dude doesn't know anything about American History? This is the dumb shite I hear 16 year olds saying while they wear their confederate flag belt buckle and spit their dip. Without the argument about slavery, there is no Civil War. Go read the book Apostles of Disunion by Chales Dew, and if you don't like Charles Dew, go read the primary sources he cites. It outlines the arguments used by the Southern commissioners during their push to convince other states to secede from the Union - ironically enough, started by South Carolina. Almost every single one of them pointed to the ability to keep slavery as a primary reason for secession.

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You're the one who doesn't know shite about history. And I already pointed out just one little factoid to rebut you. I have more...

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3. "Lincoln was a racist"

Who gives a shite if Lincoln was racist? Why is that an argument to keep the Confederate flag waving? What does that have to do with literally anything in this argument?

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If Lincoln was such an obvious racist, then why is he so honored? Let's remove his image from everything since that seems to be the goal of removing racist images.

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4. "We don't negotiate with terrorists" (referencing this clown who shot the 9 people in Charleston)

Another irrelevant argument that doesn't have anything to do with whether or not the Confederate flag should be displayed on public buildings.

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The killing of the 9 innocent people has nothing to do with the flag.

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5. "America was not built on slavery."

To pretend that slavery wasn't a huge freaking part of the economy and growth of America from colonialism through the Emancipation Proclamation is intellectually dishonest or at the very least disingenuous.

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You have already been schooled here, Mr. History.

Edit: Most of your post was mere opinion and not based on any historical facts fwiw.

Funny how nobody flew that confederate flag for 90 years until the civil rights movement and desegregation in the early 60's.

Obviously the Confederate flag as we know it is a symbol of rebellion against the Feds for making states treat blacks as equal to whites. At some point it got adopted to stand for heritage but that was truly out of naivety.

I mean, there really is no denying it.

I want to know so many people care so much about issues that have no impact on them or almost anyone else.

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Funny how nobody flew that confederate flag for 90 years until the civil rights movement and desegregation in the early 60's.

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And you keep repeating the lie until it hopefully becomes true. ballcaster is as guilty as you. Both liars.

Edit: I missed this nugget...

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I mean, there really is no denying it.

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There is absolute denial from at least two of us. You and ballcaster better get your facts straight.

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By governments other than Mississippi?

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You do know the Confederate battle flag is incorporated into 4 or 5 state flags, correct? So, in a sense, it is still flown over government buildings today.

That's not the point though. My point was to show how ignorant your stance on it not being a part of Southern culture prior to the civil rights movement is. It was very much a part of the culture, it just didn't become racially charged until it was adopted by the KKK.

ETA: The battle flag was also used by the military into the 80's, I believe. So, your assertion that it's clearly used only in racially motivated situations is obviously quite debatable.