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re: Gasser didn't testify in McKnight case; Guilty of manslaughter
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:27 pm to MightyYat
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:27 pm to MightyYat
The jury make up is also interesting. Mostly white and mostly women. Defense tried to play the "big angry black guy" angle by mentioning Joe's size repeatedly in the closing statement. He said Joe was "6'2 and over 200lbs" while referring to Gasser as "Ronnie" as to make him appear to be some little innocent quiet guy. Joe was barely 6'0 and a little thinner than his playing days. 
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:28 pm to tgrbaitn08
Yeah I just got home and can follow it better now myself.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:28 pm to tgrbaitn08
Louisiana Criminal Jury Instructions (2017)
§ 6:23 Aggressor doctrine
A person who is the aggressor or who brings on a difficulty cannot claim the right of self-defense unless he withdraws from the conflict in good faith and in such a manner that his adversary knows or should know that he desires to withdraw and discontinue the conflict.
[In determining whether the defendant was the aggressor, you must consider the nature of the confrontation and whether the victim’s actions were a reasonable response.]
Thus, if you find that the defendant was the aggressor or that he brought on the difficulty, you must reject his claim of self-defense unless you find:
(1) that he withdrew from the conflict; and
(2) that his withdrawal was in good faith; and
(3) that he withdrew in a manner that put his adversary on notice that he wished to withdraw and discontinue the conflict.
I. If you find that
(1) the defendant was lawfully inside a [dwelling][place of business][motor vehicle] and
(2) the person against whom the force or violence was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcibly entering or had unlawfully and forcibly entered the [dwelling][place of business][motor vehicle] and
(3) the defendant knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry was occurring or had occurred,
you should [must] presume that the defendant held a reasonable belief that the use of force or violence was necessary to prevent unlawful entry thereto [or compel the intruder to leave the [premises]][motor vehicle].]
II. If you find that the defendant was not engaged in unlawful activity and was in a place where he [she] had a right to be, the defendant had not duty to retreat before using force or violence and had the right to stand his [her] ground and meet force with force.
III. If you find that the defendant used force or violence in defense of his [her] person or property, you shall not consider the possibility of retreat as a factor in determining whether or not the defendant had a reasonable belief that such force or violence was reasonably and apparently necessary to prevent the forcible offense or prevent the unlawful entry.
§ 6:23 Aggressor doctrine
A person who is the aggressor or who brings on a difficulty cannot claim the right of self-defense unless he withdraws from the conflict in good faith and in such a manner that his adversary knows or should know that he desires to withdraw and discontinue the conflict.
[In determining whether the defendant was the aggressor, you must consider the nature of the confrontation and whether the victim’s actions were a reasonable response.]
Thus, if you find that the defendant was the aggressor or that he brought on the difficulty, you must reject his claim of self-defense unless you find:
(1) that he withdrew from the conflict; and
(2) that his withdrawal was in good faith; and
(3) that he withdrew in a manner that put his adversary on notice that he wished to withdraw and discontinue the conflict.
I. If you find that
(1) the defendant was lawfully inside a [dwelling][place of business][motor vehicle] and
(2) the person against whom the force or violence was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcibly entering or had unlawfully and forcibly entered the [dwelling][place of business][motor vehicle] and
(3) the defendant knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry was occurring or had occurred,
you should [must] presume that the defendant held a reasonable belief that the use of force or violence was necessary to prevent unlawful entry thereto [or compel the intruder to leave the [premises]][motor vehicle].]
II. If you find that the defendant was not engaged in unlawful activity and was in a place where he [she] had a right to be, the defendant had not duty to retreat before using force or violence and had the right to stand his [her] ground and meet force with force.
III. If you find that the defendant used force or violence in defense of his [her] person or property, you shall not consider the possibility of retreat as a factor in determining whether or not the defendant had a reasonable belief that such force or violence was reasonably and apparently necessary to prevent the forcible offense or prevent the unlawful entry.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:29 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:
Sounds like a hung jury
Yep. This one will get interesting. There is no way Gasser should just walk out of the courthouse today.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:31 pm to fightin tigers
The problem with that defense angle is that the forensics don't line up with it. The coroner stated that there wasn't gunshot residue found on McKnight's body, which would indicated that McKnight wasn't shot at as close of range as Gasser claimed. So Gasser had gotten his gun out his gym bag 2 miles prior, had his window rolled down, and McKnight was far enough away when he got shot for no gunshot residue to be found on his clothes or body.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:31 pm to Boomshockalocka
Even if Gasser was the aggressor, the fact that he didn’t get out of his car could suggest that he withdrew from the conflict.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:33 pm to tgrbaitn08
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Even if Gasser was the aggressor, the fact that he didn’t get out of his car could suggest that he withdrew from the conflict.
Uhhh, no. His window would've been up and he would've just drove off if he wanted to withdraw from the conflict. Dude pulled his gun a mile before the shooting. He wasn't withdrawing from shite.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:33 pm to tgrbaitn08
Rolling up his window or attempting to drive off would suggest he wanted to withdraw from the conflict. He didn't attempt either of those things
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:33 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:It could
Even if Gasser was the aggressor, the fact that he didn’t get out of his car could suggest that he withdrew from the conflict.
The fact he pulled out his gun, and then chased after JM further, tells me he was ready to kill him
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:34 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:
Even if Gasser was the aggressor, the fact that he didn’t get out of his car could suggest that he withdrew from the conflict.
Yeah the guy who flashed his gun weavin through traffic was withdrawing
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:34 pm to tgrbaitn08
While awaiting jury verdicts, it is amazing how often the time of day and the day of the week comes into play. Friday afternoons are prime time for the return of jury verdicts.Almost operating as a fictitious deadline.
Another one from Chick Foret. He may be reading my posts
Friday afternoon def lends itself to a compromise imo.
Another one from Chick Foret. He may be reading my posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:35 pm to MightyYat
He couldn’t drive off. He was boxed in
And having his window down doesn’t mean anything to me.
So what if he pulled his gun? I drive with my gun on my lap sometimes. Doesn’t mean I’m looking to shoot someone.
And having his window down doesn’t mean anything to me.
So what if he pulled his gun? I drive with my gun on my lap sometimes. Doesn’t mean I’m looking to shoot someone.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:37 pm to Boomshockalocka
quote:
While awaiting jury verdicts, it is amazing how often the time of day and the day of the week comes into play. Friday afternoons are prime time for the return of jury verdicts.Almost operating as a fictitious deadline.
Another one from Chick Foret. He may be reading my posts Friday afternoon def lends itself to a compromise imo.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:37 pm to Tiger Prawn
quote:
attempting to drive off
He doesn't have to and failing to do so cannot be held against him.
Even still, it wasn't possible to drive off.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:37 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:
He couldn’t drive off. He was boxed in
True but the light would've eventually turned green.
quote:
And having his window down doesn’t mean anything to me.
Except that it prevents someone from "lunging" into your vehicle.
quote:
So what if he pulled his gun? I drive with my gun on my lap sometimes. Doesn’t mean I’m looking to shoot someone.
While you were chasing someone because you got your feelings hurt like a bitch?
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:38 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:
I drive with my gun on my lap sometimes.
Uh why?
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:39 pm to MightyYat
quote:
While you were chasing someone because you got your feelings hurt like a bitch?
Nah. Mostly because I didn’t want to get car jacked. I’ve never chased after anyone in a vehicle
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:40 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:
So what if he pulled his gun?
Because its relevant that he pulled his gun on General deGaulle then proceeded to chase McKnight for another mile or 2 down Behrman Hwy. It wasn't like he pulled his gun and fired in a split second decision while he was in danger. If Gasser truly felt threatened, why would he continue to follow McKnight? He had an easy exit from the situation by taking a different route or pulling over, but he escalated the situation by chasing JM.
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:41 pm to tgrbaitn08
Who are the def lawyers?
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