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re: Gasser didn't testify in McKnight case; Guilty of manslaughter

Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:27 pm to
Posted by MightyYat
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Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:27 pm to
The jury make up is also interesting. Mostly white and mostly women. Defense tried to play the "big angry black guy" angle by mentioning Joe's size repeatedly in the closing statement. He said Joe was "6'2 and over 200lbs" while referring to Gasser as "Ronnie" as to make him appear to be some little innocent quiet guy. Joe was barely 6'0 and a little thinner than his playing days.
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:28 pm to
Yeah I just got home and can follow it better now myself.
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
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Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:28 pm to
Louisiana Criminal Jury Instructions (2017)
§ 6:23 Aggressor doctrine

A person who is the aggressor or who brings on a difficulty cannot claim the right of self-defense unless he withdraws from the conflict in good faith and in such a manner that his adversary knows or should know that he desires to withdraw and discontinue the conflict.

[In determining whether the defendant was the aggressor, you must consider the nature of the confrontation and whether the victim’s actions were a reasonable response.]

Thus, if you find that the defendant was the aggressor or that he brought on the difficulty, you must reject his claim of self-defense unless you find:

(1) that he withdrew from the conflict; and

(2) that his withdrawal was in good faith; and

(3) that he withdrew in a manner that put his adversary on notice that he wished to withdraw and discontinue the conflict.

I. If you find that

(1) the defendant was lawfully inside a [dwelling][place of business][motor vehicle] and

(2) the person against whom the force or violence was used was in the process of unlawfully and forcibly entering or had unlawfully and forcibly entered the [dwelling][place of business][motor vehicle] and

(3) the defendant knew or had reason to believe that an unlawful and forcible entry was occurring or had occurred,

you should [must] presume that the defendant held a reasonable belief that the use of force or violence was necessary to prevent unlawful entry thereto [or compel the intruder to leave the [premises]][motor vehicle].]

II. If you find that the defendant was not engaged in unlawful activity and was in a place where he [she] had a right to be, the defendant had not duty to retreat before using force or violence and had the right to stand his [her] ground and meet force with force.

III. If you find that the defendant used force or violence in defense of his [her] person or property, you shall not consider the possibility of retreat as a factor in determining whether or not the defendant had a reasonable belief that such force or violence was reasonably and apparently necessary to prevent the forcible offense or prevent the unlawful entry.
Posted by MightyYat
StB Garden District
Member since Jan 2009
25029 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:29 pm to
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Sounds like a hung jury


Yep. This one will get interesting. There is no way Gasser should just walk out of the courthouse today.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
26357 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:31 pm to
The problem with that defense angle is that the forensics don't line up with it. The coroner stated that there wasn't gunshot residue found on McKnight's body, which would indicated that McKnight wasn't shot at as close of range as Gasser claimed. So Gasser had gotten his gun out his gym bag 2 miles prior, had his window rolled down, and McKnight was far enough away when he got shot for no gunshot residue to be found on his clothes or body.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:31 pm to
Even if Gasser was the aggressor, the fact that he didn’t get out of his car could suggest that he withdrew from the conflict.
Posted by MightyYat
StB Garden District
Member since Jan 2009
25029 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:33 pm to
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Even if Gasser was the aggressor, the fact that he didn’t get out of his car could suggest that he withdrew from the conflict.


Uhhh, no. His window would've been up and he would've just drove off if he wanted to withdraw from the conflict. Dude pulled his gun a mile before the shooting. He wasn't withdrawing from shite.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
26357 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:33 pm to
Rolling up his window or attempting to drive off would suggest he wanted to withdraw from the conflict. He didn't attempt either of those things
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:33 pm to
quote:

Even if Gasser was the aggressor, the fact that he didn’t get out of his car could suggest that he withdrew from the conflict.
It could

The fact he pulled out his gun, and then chased after JM further, tells me he was ready to kill him
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:34 pm to
quote:

Even if Gasser was the aggressor, the fact that he didn’t get out of his car could suggest that he withdrew from the conflict.



Yeah the guy who flashed his gun weavin through traffic was withdrawing
Posted by Boomshockalocka
Member since Feb 2004
59966 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:34 pm to
While awaiting jury verdicts, it is amazing how often the time of day and the day of the week comes into play. Friday afternoons are prime time for the return of jury verdicts.Almost operating as a fictitious deadline.

Another one from Chick Foret. He may be reading my posts Friday afternoon def lends itself to a compromise imo.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:35 pm to
He couldn’t drive off. He was boxed in

And having his window down doesn’t mean anything to me.

So what if he pulled his gun? I drive with my gun on my lap sometimes. Doesn’t mean I’m looking to shoot someone.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:37 pm to
quote:


While awaiting jury verdicts, it is amazing how often the time of day and the day of the week comes into play. Friday afternoons are prime time for the return of jury verdicts.Almost operating as a fictitious deadline.

Another one from Chick Foret. He may be reading my posts Friday afternoon def lends itself to a compromise imo.


I said the same thing on the first page
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:37 pm to
quote:

attempting to drive off

He doesn't have to and failing to do so cannot be held against him.

Even still, it wasn't possible to drive off.
Posted by MightyYat
StB Garden District
Member since Jan 2009
25029 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:37 pm to
quote:

He couldn’t drive off. He was boxed in

True but the light would've eventually turned green.

quote:

And having his window down doesn’t mean anything to me.

Except that it prevents someone from "lunging" into your vehicle.

quote:

So what if he pulled his gun? I drive with my gun on my lap sometimes. Doesn’t mean I’m looking to shoot someone.

While you were chasing someone because you got your feelings hurt like a bitch?
Posted by TH03
Mogadishu
Member since Dec 2008
172004 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:38 pm to
quote:

I drive with my gun on my lap sometimes.


Uh why?
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:39 pm to
quote:


While you were chasing someone because you got your feelings hurt like a bitch?



Nah. Mostly because I didn’t want to get car jacked. I’ve never chased after anyone in a vehicle
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:40 pm to
quote:


Uh why?



I love my gun.
Posted by Tiger Prawn
Member since Dec 2016
26357 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:40 pm to
quote:

So what if he pulled his gun?

Because its relevant that he pulled his gun on General deGaulle then proceeded to chase McKnight for another mile or 2 down Behrman Hwy. It wasn't like he pulled his gun and fired in a split second decision while he was in danger. If Gasser truly felt threatened, why would he continue to follow McKnight? He had an easy exit from the situation by taking a different route or pulling over, but he escalated the situation by chasing JM.
Posted by Jimmy2shoes
The South
Member since Mar 2014
11004 posts
Posted on 1/26/18 at 3:41 pm to
Who are the def lawyers?
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