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re: Founder of Jimmy Johns is a big game hunter. ( people upset)

Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:05 pm to
Posted by pointdog33
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:05 pm to
Yeah. Apparently a lot like lean pork

MeatEater
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:05 pm to
i think the big cats are sold off as a culling tool. that leopard was going to get killed regardless

lions, leopards, etc populations are often pretty regulated. the issue with those animals is encroachment into their land by farmers and then the interactions with those farmers. so the governments engage in active conservation to keep populations adapted to their new habitats and so they don't get too populated to frick with farmers (b/c farmers will straight up poison hundreds of big cats if they feel threatened)
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:07 pm to
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The village isn't going to eat jaguar.


Well, youre wrong about that. They will eat any form of protein that they can.
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:08 pm to
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m just going to go ahead and assume that you are trolling because you just simply cannot grasp the idea of hunting conservation.


This is the point being missed by the liberal nut-bags. Responsible hunters are the best friends of an animal population. The money raised and conservation efforts put much more into the population than the hunters take out.

If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the poachers, who are wiping out the populations and not putting anything back, and not helping the local communities. They're the criminals here. I guarantee the Jimmy Jons guy cares and contributes more for the elephant population, (and the african communities, whose economy is totally based on hunting the elephants responsibly) than all the bleeding heart liberals on his case.
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:11 pm to
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If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the poachers, who are wiping out the populations and not putting anything back, and not helping the local communities


actually, if you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the governments for not allowing the domestication and farming of elephants and/or rhinos

you want to get rid of poachers and save the species all in one move? flood the markets with supply by allowing legal farming of the ivory tusks
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:11 pm to
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This is the point being missed by the liberal nut-bags. Responsible hunters are the best friends of an animal population. The money raised and conservation efforts put much more into the population than the hunters take out.

yeah let's ignore Africa for a bit. the people who have restored populations of endangered animals in America are hunters working with governments in a scientifically regulated market. that is 100% indisputable

African governments and international organizations are doing this in Africa with certain critically endangered species. poaching and other killing outside of this framework are why the animals are endangered. hunting within the framework is a way to try to create a system to regrow the populations (like we have in America)
Posted by RedPants
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:13 pm to
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This is the point being missed by the liberal nut-bags.


nowhere close to liberal

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If you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the poachers


Human scum.

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I guarantee the Jimmy Jons guy cares and contributes more for the elephant population, (and the african communities, whose economy is totally based on hunting the elephants responsibly)


Quite the assumption. link?
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:16 pm to
here is my link>

cost Jimmy over $350,000 dollars


Where do you think this money goes?
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:16 pm to
yeah there are 3 main groups of animals and each has their own issues

big cats face issues with human expansion. they aren't "poached" but are often killed by farmers (in large numbers, typically by poisoning) when their habitats interact. regulations here involve keeping the populations stable within their new habitats so that those new numbers can be maintained. the tags here are sold in lieu of traditional culling of the herds

rhinos are poached for their horns for Asian markets. this is likely solveable because the horns are actually a renewable resource. you cut off the horns and they will grow back. the horns can be farmed and created into a legit market that is fully sustainable

elephants are poached for their ivory. i do not think this is renewable because i don't think elephant tusks grow back. the market is also worldwide (but i believe heavily dominated by Asia, here as well)
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:16 pm to
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Couldn't they have auctioned off permits for rhino rides or something instead of killing the big guy?



Holy shite

I hope you are trolling.
Posted by Barf
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Member since Feb 2015
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:17 pm to
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Quite the assumption. link?



It's not an assumption at all. He has contributed a million dollars or more to the conservation efforts of African game animals.

I'm willing bet a big stack of money that your contribution to African big game is somewhere around zero.
Posted by uway
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:18 pm to
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I actually don't get the appeal of big game hunting.


I'm a radical right winger, but I agree.
Especially endangered animals. I mean, wtf
Posted by RedPants
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:19 pm to
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here is my link>

cost Jimmy over $350,000 dollars


Where do you think this money goes?



Writing the check to kill the animal means he cares about the elephant plights in Africa? Neat logic.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 1:20 pm
Posted by Barf
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:24 pm to
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Writing the check to kill the animal means he cares about the elephant plights in Africa? Neat logic.


If you think you care about the elephants in AFrica more than someone who pays money to hunt them, you should supply us with your donation records to Elephant conservation. Unless of course you have donated zero dollars.

Corey Knowlton did a podcast with Joe Rogan and with Radio Lab. He spend $350k to shoot a black rhino in Namibia. I realize his side of the story will never change your mind on the subject, but perhaps it will give you a better understand of where the big game hunting community is coming from.

This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 1:26 pm
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:25 pm to
the radio lab podcast is embedded within this story

LINK

Joe Rogan
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:32 pm to
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I'm convinced people that hunt animals like this purely for sport are complete narcissists or have some other subconscious mental issues they need to deal with.

I think y'all are jealous that a guy that looks just like you can go and do all this badass shite whenever he wants while you sit in a cubicle filling out an excel spreadsheet

I bet jimmys wife is hotter than yours too
Posted by EvrybodysAllAmerican
Member since Apr 2013
12100 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:34 pm to
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I guarantee the Jimmy Jons guy cares and contributes more for the elephant population, (and the african communities, whose economy is totally based on hunting the elephants responsibly)


So answer the question, where do you think this money goes? Once again, poachers are the problem. they dont contribute anything to the local economies or towards conserving the elephant population. Legal hunters do both.

Posted by barry
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Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:39 pm to
All the meat that dude is slaying they could put more than 2 slices on my sandwhich.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 1:42 pm
Posted by BigOrangeBri
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Member since Jul 2012
12725 posts
Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:47 pm to
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That's all Chaotic Evil is. Your posts are coming across as if you're a fricking psychopath.




And you come off as a baby back bitch, that doesn't understand that good comes from these hunts whether you like it or not.

If it means that much to you, then stop eating meat, go buy the next $350 k ticket or travel to DC or Africa and become an active protestor.
Posted by RedPants
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 10/26/16 at 1:51 pm to
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I think y'all are jealous that a guy that looks just like you


oh man, that couldn't be further from the truth.

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while you sit in a cubicle filling out an excel spreadsheet


I have my own office and never fill out excel sheets. No reason for them in my line of work.
This post was edited on 10/26/16 at 1:53 pm
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