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re: Founder of Barstool goes off on how the goalposts have been changed
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:10 am to The Spleen
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:10 am to The Spleen
quote:The post I replied to had context. That flattening the curve would cause it to disappear. Trumps quote was before all that. And it, too, was rhetoric.
Did he actually believe that? Who the hell knows what he actually believes, but he did float the idea that it would by some miracle disappear
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Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:11 am to lsupride87
Look - you have an agenda and you want to reopen the country. I understand.
I was just pointing out that the Barstool guy's analogy of cancer to COVID, and your analogy of HIV to COVID discount your points.
As another poster stated, the "flatten the curve" rhetoric was to get the general public to understand something simple and straightforward. I do not recall a consensus statement citing "flatten the daily new cases curve" or "flatten the cumulative new cases curve" or "flatten the daily deaths curve" or "flatten the number of patients in the ICU curve", etc. . There might have been recently (or even at the beginning) but I'm not sure it was a consensus - nothing about this disaster has been a consensus. All of these curves are important.
I was just pointing out that the Barstool guy's analogy of cancer to COVID, and your analogy of HIV to COVID discount your points.
As another poster stated, the "flatten the curve" rhetoric was to get the general public to understand something simple and straightforward. I do not recall a consensus statement citing "flatten the daily new cases curve" or "flatten the cumulative new cases curve" or "flatten the daily deaths curve" or "flatten the number of patients in the ICU curve", etc. . There might have been recently (or even at the beginning) but I'm not sure it was a consensus - nothing about this disaster has been a consensus. All of these curves are important.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:12 am to ell_13
quote:
t. He’s pointing out the sudden change in rhetoric.
The situation is and always has been fluid, hasn't it?
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:13 am to LStU
Again.
quote:
Quick question.... what is the ONLY way to stop the cumulative graph from going up?
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:16 am to beerJeep
the goal is flattening. It will flatten as a function of time and decreased new daily cases.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:16 am to Lester Earl
Masks don’t work for the general public isn’t exactly a stance that changes with “more information” when you explain your reasoning as being due to the public’s inability to wear them correctly and without touching them. If you’ve been in public at all, you’d know this to be true.
Flatten the curve to protect hospital capacity and we can open up. And then changing that to a cure being necessary to open up with zero reasoning for the change is simply moving a goalpost.
Neither of these is based on “fluid” data.
Flatten the curve to protect hospital capacity and we can open up. And then changing that to a cure being necessary to open up with zero reasoning for the change is simply moving a goalpost.
Neither of these is based on “fluid” data.
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 11:17 am
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:16 am to LStU
quote:
the goal is flattening. It will flatten as a function of time and decreased new daily cases.
Again.
Quick question.... what is the ONLY way to stop the cumulative graph from going up?
It’s okay if you’re scared to answer.
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 11:18 am
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:16 am to Lester Earl
quote:Man that’s the best CYA line in politics
The situation is and always has been fluid, hasn't it?
2.2 million deaths, nah nevermind
Flatten the curve, nah nevermind
200k vents needed, nah nevermind
Masks don’t help, nah nevermind
Hug a Chinese person, nah nevermind
It’s fluid, so don’t hold me accountable
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 11:18 am
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:17 am to YouAre8Up
quote:
Wouldn't surprise me if this was the plan the whole time by the power hungry socialist.
The power hungry globalists are ecstatic over what they've accomplished so far. They are not done yet.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:17 am to LStU
Speaking of curves:
This madness has to stop. It's a virus with less than 1% fatality rate. ETA: 25 Americans have lost their job for each case of coronavirus. Not deaths, just cases.
How about this:
You stay in your home and have instacart deliver your groceries, so you can enjoy your kink for eternal house arrest.
The rest of society can go about enjoying our lives.
Or is this about something else?
This madness has to stop. It's a virus with less than 1% fatality rate. ETA: 25 Americans have lost their job for each case of coronavirus. Not deaths, just cases.
How about this:
You stay in your home and have instacart deliver your groceries, so you can enjoy your kink for eternal house arrest.
The rest of society can go about enjoying our lives.
Or is this about something else?
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 11:29 am
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:19 am to LStU
quote:You don’t want to go out and about, so don’t
LStU
You want your dentist to take a covid test before procedures, so find one that will
I’m not sure what is preventing you from doing that while myself and others do what we want
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 11:20 am
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:19 am to TH03
quote:
I don't think there's a random poster with the reach he has.
How soon we forget TulaneLSU.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:20 am to LStU
quote:
the goal is flattening. It will flatten as a function of time and decreased new daily cases.
If that's the case, the graph you posted shows it has flattened yet you can't seem to grasp that
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:21 am to beerJeep
quote:
Quick question.... what is the ONLY way to stop the cumulative graph from going up?
What is time travel?
I'll take questions to make someone look dumb for $600, Alex.
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:22 am to lsupride87
People with heart conditions shouldn’t ride roller coasters.
If we applied current covid logic, we would shut down all theme parks until heart conditions were cured.
Women who are pregnant shouldn’t fly.
If we applied current covid logic, we would ground all planes until we found a safe way for pregnant women to take to the skies without injuring the baby.
Do people not realize how stupid all this has been??? As if people can’t make their own decisions and weigh their own risks???
If we applied current covid logic, we would shut down all theme parks until heart conditions were cured.
Women who are pregnant shouldn’t fly.
If we applied current covid logic, we would ground all planes until we found a safe way for pregnant women to take to the skies without injuring the baby.
Do people not realize how stupid all this has been??? As if people can’t make their own decisions and weigh their own risks???
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 11:23 am
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:23 am to TH03
quote:
What is time travel?
I'll take questions to make someone look dumb for $600, Alex.
I’m sorry, the answer we were looking for was “what is, you can’t”
This post was edited on 5/14/20 at 11:24 am
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:23 am to lsupride87
quote:
Man that’s the best CYA line in politics
2.2 million deaths, nah nevermind
Flatten the curve, nah nevermind
200k vents needed, nah nevermind
Masks don’t help, nah nevermind
Hug a Chinese person, nah nevermind
It’s fluid, so don’t hold me accountable
you dont understand why some of these protocols & directives have to be extreme-leaning in nature?
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:24 am to beerJeep
Looks like you like moving the goalposts from flattening a curve to stopping any increase in a curve. Those are different results.
A cumulative curve can flatten as a function time and minimal or no increases to the base data. Scale will influence the appearance of the curve and it can "flatten".
Your desired result requires no increase of the base data (as you know).
A cumulative curve can flatten as a function time and minimal or no increases to the base data. Scale will influence the appearance of the curve and it can "flatten".
Your desired result requires no increase of the base data (as you know).
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:24 am to beerJeep
quote:
you can’t”
You can if you go back in time. :coco2:
Posted on 5/14/20 at 11:28 am to LStU
quote:
Looks like you like moving the goalposts from flattening a curve to stopping any increase in a curve. Those are different results.
No. YOU were the one who brought cumulative into the discussion.
quote:
A cumulative curve can flatten as a function time and minimal or no increases to the base data
A cumulative curve will always be increasing. By definition, a cumulative curve cannot decrease to 0.
If every single human being becomes infected, we have a 100% infection rate.
Until someone is born. Then they become infected. And the cumulative increases again.
quote:
Scale will influence the appearance of the curve and it can "flatten". Your desired result requires no increase of the base data (as you know).
Again. YOU are the one who brought cumulatives into the discussion. YOU are the one bitching about “but muh cumulatives in Georgia!”
The ONLY way to stop the CUMULATIVE curve from increasing would be a complete and total annihilation of the virus.
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