re: Ford to Phase Out Gas Cars in Europe by 2030

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What's the fastest charging vehicle on the market and how much does it cost?

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Right now. Tesla is the fastest charging product. You can get into a Model 3 pretty cheaply. $38,000, which is the right at the average vehicle price for all new cars in the US.

By December, the fastest will probably be the Hummer EV. $113,000. Or Cadillac Lyric at $80,000.

The real question is how fast the latest charging and battery tech finds their way into more affordable models. The tech in the Chevy Bolt was cutting edge 7-8 years ago. That car now costs far less than the average vehicle in the US.

In 10 years, the tech in the Hummer EV and the Tesla Cybertruck will be widely available and much cheaper.

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You thought Holland had windmills now? Just wait. The country is going to be one giant windmill!!!

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What about the move in Holland to ban the use of windmills due to a dramatic drop in native bird species? Windmills are wildlife killing machines.

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Nah. They are just going to use recycled, sustainable electricity. Organically grown, of course. You thought Holland had windmills now? Just wait. The country is going to be one giant windmill!!!

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Now that the US is back in the Paris Climate Agreement, we can finally produce clean energy and stop the existential threat of climate change

There won’t happen.

There are too many practical difficulties attached to owning an electric car. And consumer will end up choosing gasoline or diesel vehicles because they continue to be more convenient to own.

On the other side, the astonishing investment required in the power grid, won’t happen either.

When will the left ever learn.

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That's roughly the average cost of a new car bought in the US these days.

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It’s lower than average.

From USA Today:

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The average price of a new vehicle has topped $40,000 for the first time ever as Americans switch from passenger cars to more-expensive SUVs and pickups

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And the tech in the Model 3 was only available in a $70,000 Model S not that long ago.

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So a luxury vehicle that costs $37900.

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I'm not sure the angle you're going for, what does that mean?

Honest question

The down votes are amusing. You don’t have to like the truth, but that doesn’t stop what’s coming.

You can continue making weak arguments against the product itself. But you’d be foolish not to see this coming. That includes misinformed people that think EV’s aren’t viable and the left wing fools that thing renewables will reliably address all future growth in energy demand.

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Most vehicle purchases are used vehicles. 2/3 of all vehicle purchases are used. Which means Americans are spending far less than $40k on any new vehicle purchase. $40k is very expensive for the average American.

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And used electric cars will be more widely available in the future as used cars. What’s your point?

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Let us know when it actually meets the demands that are met by ICE in terms of cost, function, and energy.

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They already do for most buyers if they were being honest. 20 years ago, the concept of an affordable electric car that can run more than 50 miles was science fiction. Now we have long range EV’s well below the average new car price in the US and a network of public super chargers and private home charging devices to keep them running.

If you were more open minded, you’d see that EV’s are no longer a niche product. They’ve gone mainstream rapidly and they are the already recipient of the bulk of R&D investment from the largest automakers out there.

Adoption will grow even faster. It’s best to prepare the power grid for that now, because it’s definitely happening.

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And used electric cars will be more widely available in the future as used cars. What’s your point?

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This doesn't prove me wrong. Most used vehicles are ICE. That's reality. Anyone who buys a new car is likely a high earner based on average household income, and a $40k vehicle is not a cheap vehicle by any measure. As long as these prices for EVs hold, it'll be a long time until enough high earners have bought an EV and put them on the used market for sale


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Median household income in 2019 was $68,700. Just for the record.


I assume everyone championing EVs in their current state are higher income earners and don't associate or live among people of lower middle class or lower means. Even middle class people would have issues.