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re: Forbes Piece: Flexible Work Was The Promise. The Infinite Workday Is The Reality
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:03 am to ragincajun03
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:03 am to ragincajun03
My company had full WFH for certain positions during covid, then went to 3W/2H, currently at 4W/1H, and moving to no set WFH after the summer unless approved by manager for the day.
It's such a stupid stance to take for some positions that can be fully remote and still get everything done. All it does is piss off your employees which in turn they will find other ways to be unproductive in the office, like extra coffee/drink breaks, chatting with other cube neighbors, or just zoning out in front of the computer.
Also, my WFH day is Friday, so that is when I schedule dr appts or other things that need to be done during the week. Plus it is nice to not have to deal with traffic one day of the work week, but i also start my day earlier because of it and still end my day at the normal time.
It's such a stupid stance to take for some positions that can be fully remote and still get everything done. All it does is piss off your employees which in turn they will find other ways to be unproductive in the office, like extra coffee/drink breaks, chatting with other cube neighbors, or just zoning out in front of the computer.
Also, my WFH day is Friday, so that is when I schedule dr appts or other things that need to be done during the week. Plus it is nice to not have to deal with traffic one day of the work week, but i also start my day earlier because of it and still end my day at the normal time.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:04 am to ragincajun03
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One thing during Covid WFH I did was learn how to maintain all the chemical balance in my pool and took over the weekly maintenance stuff rather than continue having a service do it. Quickly found myself tending to it daily, even multiple times a day cleaning and scrubbing, as a way to outside and break away a bit.
Yeah, that's the thing about WFH. If you're doing things right, you're just as productive work-wise, and then you're using those free times between meetings or when you don't have any scheduled task to either truly relax where you're not being watched or be productive in your home-life.
That beats just sitting there at a desk all day, five days a week, rotting and trying to make small-talk with colleagues when you've run out of small-talk talking points by Wednesday hahaha
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:04 am to ragincajun03
This post was edited on 6/18/25 at 8:05 am
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:04 am to ragincajun03
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we’re working in a constant state of interruption.
This sums it up quite well.
It's an unpopular opinion, but working at the office was better.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:05 am to ragincajun03
100% technology has made it too easy to be available. It’s hilarious to hear people like Jamie Dimon bitching about his employees not being physically in the office, but perfectly fine with them taking work calls and sending emails every night and weekend.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:05 am to ragincajun03
I work mostly remote and try to handle emails and other stuff when lever they come up. I also may be found out on a walk at 2:00 in the afternoon on a nice day.
The flexibility goes both ways and I like it.
The flexibility goes both ways and I like it.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:05 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:no this is just a fact. Especially in the summer when the kids are home and the house sounds like a circus all day.
unpopular opinion, but working at the office was better.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:06 am to ragincajun03
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Microsoft found that the average worker now receives 117 emails and 153 Teams chats every day.
I think this is largely a function of not being able to have quick face-to-face conversations anymore.
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And nowhere is that urgency more visible than in how we meet. Meetings were already a pain point in many organizations even before Covid. Back then, calendar and conference room capacity governed meeting planning. Now that digital tools have removed those limits, we simply add everyone—and move even faster.
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Evening meetings are up 16%, and a third of workers return to email after 10 p.m.
I think this is also largely due to the lack of quick face-to-face conversations. Pre-COVID, there were many times when I would be talking to someone, need a third person’s input, and simply walk over and ask them. After a 3-5 minute conversation, it’s done.
Nowadays that same discussion involves at least one person who is remote or located at another office. Instead of a quick conversation in person, someone sets up a Teams call. Probably for 30 minutes. Since we’ve reached a point in work culture where you need to schedule any conversation with 2+ other people on the calendar, everyone’s calendar is packed. Which then means it’s harder to schedule meetings that are actually critical and require multiple attendees. That leads to more of those meetings scheduled late or during lunch.
Another factor I’ve noticed is globalization. Technology has made global collaboration a lot easier, but you’re still dealing with time zones.
Most of my evening calls are either because of folks overseas, or because we needed multiple managers on a call and their calendars are completely full.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:07 am to ragincajun03
I am very happy to turn my laptop on at 7:00 to clear out emails as opposed to 8:30 at the office and I'm also more than happy to firing the laptop back up after hours to handle an issue, in exchange for working from home. I definitely work more and longer hours at home and its 100000% worth it
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:10 am to ragincajun03
I work in the oilfield and am constantly working after hours. It’s 24hr support in our contract so 2am they have an issue I get up and login, workday still starts at 6:30 everyday. My boss is cool so if you take time back when you need to but sometimes I wish I was paid hourly
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:10 am to lostinbr
quote:also when I do go into the office other than getting some peace and quiet
think this is largely a function of not being able to have quick face-to-face conversations anymore.
I'm like what's the point of being here?
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:11 am to Ingeniero
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I think this is the dirty side of WFH that people ignore. If you're working from your house and have a cell phone, you're always available. I still see the value in being able to walk to my home office rather than commute, deal with water cooler talk, etc. but there are downsides to being hyper-available too
I agree. I work 730-530ish at the office, leave at 330/4 on Fridays, and when I'm not at the office, I really try to shut it off. I like working in an office because I create insulation/silo around my personal life that WFH seems to naturally intrude upon. I've done both, and I like my current situation more.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:12 am to CAD703X
My home office is nearly 100 yards from my house, so I don't have that issue.
It's just more productive to have the people physically in the same building and not hogging up time on pointless meetings. In the office environment, you can handle over a 5 minute huddle what now requires a gap in everyone's calendar (yea right) everyone accepting the time slot (yea right) and everyone being mentally present and ready to solve a problem (yea right).
I was always a "hybrid" worker so my office attendance would be the same now that it was in 2014-2019, if anybody was actually there. It's created the ridiculous culture of perpetual meetings. If my teams dot is red, it means I'm being productive today.
Like I always have, I decline the shite out of meeting invitations. No agenda? Declined. No clear need for me to be there? Declined. No idea what this is about? Declined. Internal only when I have customer work to do? Declined. You'd be amazed at how many people get pissed off about it, but those same people do nothing else. They aren't held accountable for shite because their performance objectives were set by someone who doesn't actually see the work going on and has no idea what true productivity looks like.
WFH might be fine for people who's function exists purely in cyberspace but when it's directly adjacent to boots on ground projects, it's awful.
It's just more productive to have the people physically in the same building and not hogging up time on pointless meetings. In the office environment, you can handle over a 5 minute huddle what now requires a gap in everyone's calendar (yea right) everyone accepting the time slot (yea right) and everyone being mentally present and ready to solve a problem (yea right).
I was always a "hybrid" worker so my office attendance would be the same now that it was in 2014-2019, if anybody was actually there. It's created the ridiculous culture of perpetual meetings. If my teams dot is red, it means I'm being productive today.
Like I always have, I decline the shite out of meeting invitations. No agenda? Declined. No clear need for me to be there? Declined. No idea what this is about? Declined. Internal only when I have customer work to do? Declined. You'd be amazed at how many people get pissed off about it, but those same people do nothing else. They aren't held accountable for shite because their performance objectives were set by someone who doesn't actually see the work going on and has no idea what true productivity looks like.
WFH might be fine for people who's function exists purely in cyberspace but when it's directly adjacent to boots on ground projects, it's awful.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:13 am to ragincajun03
I mixed work and home life immediately when I started working from home in 2003. The result was 12 to 16 hour workdays.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:14 am to pelicansfan123
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Yeah, that's the thing about WFH. If you're doing things right, you're just as productive work-wise, and then you're using those free times between meetings or when you don't have any scheduled task to either truly relax where you're not being watched or be productive in your home-life.
That beats just sitting there at a desk all day, five days a week, rotting and trying to make small-talk with colleagues when you've run out of small-talk talking points by Wednesday hahaha
I'm too ADHD for this. I'll get sucked into house tasks and lose focus on work. I need the separation. Neither home life/work nor work work bleed into each other much.
But to each his own.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:14 am to ragincajun03
I briefly typed up a teams chat to someone I know was offline last night around 8pm to capture my thought.
I sent an email this morning from my phone well before getting the workday started.
So yes, I’m living this phenomenon. Maybe I need to just shut it down in off hours.
I sent an email this morning from my phone well before getting the workday started.
So yes, I’m living this phenomenon. Maybe I need to just shut it down in off hours.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:16 am to CocomoLSU
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In my experience, I've found that the people in my office want to work from home moreso because of the freedom that it gives you to sort of do whatever you want rather than them "being more productive" at home. I work for the State, and June 30 is the last day of WFH per the governor. Starting July 1 everybody has to be back in the office full time. And people here are freaking the frick out about it. It's so weird to me that they are so bent out of shape because they have to come back to work.
Because commuting to and from an office is pointless. Sitting in an office is pointless
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:16 am to ragincajun03
I’ve never been in a WFH situation but have definitely seen this increase of infinite work day grow over past decade.
When Teams messaging initially became a thing, one of my colleagues at time said responses could wait. Now it feels like the expectation is to immediately respond regardless of what you are workin on, whether you’re in a meeting (in person or Teams), etc.
Also when working with companies in European or Dubai offices, the day also starts earlier.
When Teams messaging initially became a thing, one of my colleagues at time said responses could wait. Now it feels like the expectation is to immediately respond regardless of what you are workin on, whether you’re in a meeting (in person or Teams), etc.
Also when working with companies in European or Dubai offices, the day also starts earlier.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:17 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
quote:that would be so nice. Our CEO very very VERY well off. When I'm on a teams call with him there's a Costco folding table to his right constantly piled with paperwork and messes all around him on the floor.
My home office is nearly 100 yards from my house, so I don't have that issue.
For some reason this amuses me and makes me feel better about my own little humble working niche.
Posted on 6/18/25 at 8:18 am to meeple
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Maybe I need to just shut it down in off hours.
I highly recommend going back to point-to-point phone calls and declining any meeting invitation that does not meet specific criteria - must have agenda, must have clear need for my attendance, must not overlay an existing commitment, and maybe some others tailored to you job.
I've worked really hard to maintain a culture of using phone calls in my department and it's worked well. When my people need me, they pick up the phone and call me. When they need something from a vendor, first thing is pick up the phone and call them. No meeting, emails when appropriate, if you need my input, call me, lets make a decision, and move. No decision by committee. No joining meetings just because important people are on them.
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