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re: For those of you who work for a company that mandated the vaccine. What did you do?

Posted on 9/11/21 at 1:12 pm to
Posted by SocialDelinquent
Member since Jun 2021
93 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 1:12 pm to
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What is your point?


They have acknowledged the reports but have dragged arse on researching and studying. How many times do I have to say this?

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A small number of people are reporting ear ringing, referred to as tinnitus, after receiving the COVID-19 vaccine. Unlike body aches or fatigue, tinnitus is not officially listed by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) as a vaccine side effect. Experts say there's not currently enough scientific evidence to suggest the tinnitus cases are caused by vaccination. Still, tinnitus reports have surfaced in both clinical trials and after authorized vaccination. Johnson & Johnson vaccine clinical trials included six non-severe tinnitus cases within 28 days of vaccination, though the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) later ruled they were unrelated to the shot.1? The U.S. Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database has documented 1,486 cases of tinnitus following vaccination with any brand, meaning 0.95% of vaccine recipients report experiencing the potential side effect.2 ? Peter Gulick, DO, professor of medicine and infectious disease expert at Michigan State University College of Osteopathic Medicine, tells Verywell that the fear of experiencing tinnitus should not stop you from getting the vaccine. “After giving millions of people a [COVID-19] vaccine, tinnitus is not a red flag that popped up prompting scientists to say, ‘You know, this is kind of a big issue with COVID-19 vaccines,’” he says. Why Are Your Ears Ringing? What’s Causing Tinnitus? The British Tinnitus Association classifies tinnitus as a very rare COVID vaccine side effect, indicating fewer than 1 in 14,700 people in the U.K. have reported it.3? While there’s not a single explanation for the small number of tinnitus cases following vaccination, Gulick says a preexisting condition or a history of tinnitus could cause the ear ringing to act up. “Tinnitus is not very common from COVID-19," he says. "But suppose somebody already has a preexisting problem in the ear. In that case, the virus—or the vaccine—can affect those little hair cells in the cochlea that are responsible for causing ear ringing or a little nerve irritation. Usually, you see tinnitus more often in somebody that's already had the problem. It's unlikely to start happening all of a sudden." At least one researcher hypothesizes that in some people, the robust immune response triggered by vaccination might additionally trigger neuroinflammation, worsening any existing hearing issues, according to an article in Drug Discovery & Development.

“Preexisting tinnitus is not a contraindication to getting the vaccine, but if you experience tinnitus after the first dose, and if it’s not going away, or it’s getting worse, then see what a doctor says before you consider your second dose,” Gulick says. While there’s no official cure for tinnitus, your doctor can prescribe steroids or cognitive behavioral therapy to help manage symptoms. Your doctor can also report your symptoms to VAERS for data collection. New Device Helps Objectively Detect Tinnitus For First Time Research on tinnitus as a potential COVID-19 vaccine side effect is limited, so the best thing the public can do is continue to report any unusual or persistent side effects for possible causative effects between a symptom and the vaccine. “If we want to see if a [symptom] is specific to one vaccine or another, we need to accumulate as much information as possible on it," Gulick says. "Without data, it's hard to see if tinnitus is going to be something permanent or not because we haven't studied it long enough to know.”


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Is there a link between COVID-19 vaccines and tinnitus? COVID-19 vaccines approved for emergency or permanent use in the United States have undergone extensive safety testing. For the vast majority of people, vaccines are safe and effective at reducing the spread of COVID-19. But mild side effects are fairly common. Some researchers hypothesize that there may be a link between COVID-19 vaccines and tinnitus, but as of now, there isn’t enough research to confirm a relationship. The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) keep track of vaccine side effects reported by healthcare professionals, vaccine manufacturers, and the public in its Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) database. Of more than 362 million COVID-19 vaccine doses administered in the United States through August 2021, VAERS data reports 9,166 cases of people experiencing tinnitus after receiving a vaccine. This means that tinnitus has been reported roughly once per every 40,000 vaccine doses. But it’s important to note that just because there’s a correlation, it doesn’t mean receiving the vaccines causes tinnitus. It could be that someone’s tinnitus is unrelated to the vaccine. It’s also possible that tinnitus is more common, assuming that not every case of tinnitus was reported. Tinnitus is a fairly rare side effect of some other types of vaccines, like: hepatitis B rabies measles H1N1 Johnson & Johnson’s clinical trials In phase 3 clinical trials of Johnson & Johnson’s COVID-19 vaccine, 6 out of 19,630 (0.03 percent) experienced tinnitus after receiving a vaccine, compared with 0 people in the placebo group. All six people who developed tinnitus had at least one condition that could have increased a chance of developing the condition: a history of tinnitus allergic rhinitis medication use depression hypothyroidism high blood pressure After reviewing the clinical trial, the FDATrusted Source concluded that there was insufficient evidence to determine that the vaccine directly caused tinnitus. Why might COVID-19 vaccines and tinnitus be linked? It’s still not clear why some people develop tinnitus after receiving a COVID-19 vaccine. In a March 2021 study published in the International Journal of Audiology, researchers described three case studies of people who developed tinnitus soon after COVID-19 vaccination. The authors of the study speculated that a hypersensitivity reaction may play a role in the development of tinnitus. They thought the reaction could lead to an abnormal autoimmune response or a change in blood flow that damages the cochlea, which converts sound vibrations to electric signals your brain can interpret.




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Every single article acknowledges the reports the complaints but basically says "there isn't enough research or information." THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. Dumbasses like you refuse to acknowledge these issues because there isn't enough research. Well guess what, you can't verify something IF YOU DON'T STUDY OR RESEARCH IT and that is obviously what they are doing.

You continuously miss the point. The vaccine isn't needed for everybody especially when unexplained shite like this is happening to even a few. Research and study it, figure it out and then the vaccine can be considered "safe." It's bullshite that they are claiming this is safe because a lot of people aren't dying from the vaccine but are pushing off the answers about all of these other issues.

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Not everyone feels the same way you do - I'm really sorry that this offends you so much.


I can say the same about you and other posters in this thread. You are hellbent about pushing the vaccine and I'm telling you young, healthy people don't necessarily need it and even the slightest possibility of having a BS side effect isn't worth it.
Posted by Ry_garou
Lafayette
Member since Mar 2014
590 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 1:14 pm to
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lsunurse


You people.. Since you struggle at reading let me spell it out for you slowly. I said she tried to contact SOMEONE. Never did I mention she did not follow protocol using the VAERS website. My wife is a NP that runs her own clinic. I’ll trust her over some random shift worker proclaiming themself to be a Covid expert.

For the record I am not an antivaxer and my post history shows that. It also shows that I am opposed to mandates and believe in getting accurate, reliable data to make an informed decision.

How convenient (and ignorant) it must be to ‘not pay serious attention’ to someone you don’t agree with.
Posted by DrEdgeLSU
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2006
8412 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 1:19 pm to
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My wife went out of her way to try and find a place to report this data only to find dead ends


That’s what you said, actually. I was just providing the place she should have done. It’s not out of the way, it is in fact “the way” to report things.
Posted by DrEdgeLSU
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2006
8412 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 1:29 pm to
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They have acknowledged the reports but have dragged arse on researching and studying. How many times do I have to say this?


Studies take time. They take control groups and treatment groups. Again, what do you want them to do? Mass report every issue reported to VAERS regardless of veracity?

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Every single article acknowledges the reports the complaints but basically says "there isn't enough research or information." THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. Dumbasses like you refuse to acknowledge these issues because there isn't enough research. Well guess what, you can't verify something IF YOU DON'T STUDY OR RESEARCH IT and that is obviously what they are doing.


I fully support scientific study of these issues. 100%.

What I don’t support is being obtuse and railing on the very community you want to study something for not studying it fast enough. Do you understand the magnitude of subjects a study would need to be able to reliably predict a causal relationship for something that is apparently only being reported 1 in 40,000 cases? Again, studies take time. Does your friend have any genetic factors at play? Did they leave the vaccine clinic and go smoke some meth? Did they eat undercooked chicken the day before getting the vaccine? Scientists actually work hard every day to rule things out. It’s not a conspiracy.

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I can say the same about you and other posters in this thread. You are hellbent about pushing the vaccine and I'm telling you young, healthy people don't necessarily need it and even the slightest possibility of having a BS side effect isn't worth it.


You ignored it before but I’ll ask again. Where did I post anything pushing you or anyone else to get the vaccine? I believe I specifically have said a few times that I don’t care whether you get it or not. It’s your call. I just think your rationale is lame. But my rationale shouldn’t be getting you all worked up. It’s your life and your choice. Again, the thread is about employer mandates. Young healthy people that could get fired over it may think that getting paid is worth the incredibly minuscule risk posed by the vaccine.
Posted by Dominate308
South Florida
Member since Jan 2013
2895 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 1:36 pm to
Got the vax. The war is not worth winning.
Posted by SocialDelinquent
Member since Jun 2021
93 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 1:38 pm to
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Studies take time. They take control groups and treatment groups. Again, what do you want them to do? Mass report every issue reported to VAERS regardless of veracity?



I love it, studies take time but the vaccine was 100% day one after release. But these issues take time…. Got ya. It wouldn’t be such an issue if the feds and employers weren’t pushing the vaccine. You don’t see the issue here? We “don’t know” or don’t have an answer for these issues but you must get the vaccine.

And I see you are blaming the victim again. I say the same factors deal with covid but Covid is involuntary and the vaccine is becoming. It voluntary. And yes I’m worked up. Friends that have not had medical issues in the past are now having them because their employer, the government and internet sleuths are either pressuring or forcing them to get something they don’t want or need. Just wait until it’s something someone you care about is forced to get and something bad happens. The precedent is set and you help allow it.
Posted by Tiger in Gatorland
Moonshine Holler
Member since Sep 2006
9476 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 1:40 pm to
Got the vaccine. Mandates and politics aside, not sure where the fear comes from.
Posted by Fletch1985
Member since Jun 2020
325 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 1:49 pm to
The tests you can buy at the pharmacy are super easy to use. Don’t quit just test. The EO is wrong and only intended to shift blame to the unvaccinated “trump” voters bc Xiden promised to crush covid. Now he needs to blame republicans even though his core constituents are the least vaccinated group.
Posted by cwil177
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2011
29157 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 1:52 pm to
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My son quit, cashed in his leave and starts work on Monday at the hospital I work in.

Do y’all take Medicare or Medicaid? If so I have some bad news for your son.
Posted by DrEdgeLSU
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2006
8412 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 1:54 pm to
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I love it, studies take time but the vaccine was 100% day one after release. But these issues take time…. Got ya. It wouldn’t be such an issue if the feds and employers weren’t pushing the vaccine. You don’t see the issue here? We “don’t know” or don’t have an answer for these issues but you must get the vaccine.


Are you suggesting that there weren’t controlled trials for the vaccine? You can read them - the details are all published in the same internet all of the side effects are being published on.

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And I see you are blaming the victim again.


I’m not sure I did that but if I did it was unintentional. If you want to have scientists study causality they will get a lot more invasive than that I promise. I don’t know your friends at all, and I imagine their symptoms are awful. I’ve questioned why they won’t report them or seek medical attention only because you indicated that they hadn’t or wouldn’t do it.

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Friends that have not had medical issues in the past are now having them because their employer, the government and internet sleuths are either pressuring or forcing them to get something they don’t want or need. J


These mandates are brand new. Were your friends forced to get the vaccine and they got it already? Or are you conflating two issues - their supposed side effects, and the new trend of employer and government mandated vaccines?

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Just wait until it’s something someone you care about is forced to get and something bad happens. The precedent is set and you help allow it.


Bad things have already happened to many people in my life. I will be sure to come to you and report if any of that is related to the Covid vaccine, so you can rejoice in your weird little way about being right. In the meantime, I’ll continue to be grateful for those who actually study and create for the purposes of a healthier population in spite of internet heroes doing their level best to discredit them while simultaneously begging for them to work harder.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
104291 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 2:01 pm to
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No shite, it’s pretty damn easy to find the VAERS site

And look at his post history….his is all ate up with anti vaccine rants so I wouldn’t pay serious attention to him.



When we got our first shot, the folks at the vaccination site encouraged us to sign up for CDC's V-Safe alerts which then encouraged us to report any adverse side effects directly to VAERS.

This is the same site that vaccinated all of us in education and healthcare here in Louisville.
Posted by tiger91
In my own little world
Member since Nov 2005
39284 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 2:03 pm to
But are rapid tests on to use?
Posted by tiggerfan02 2021
HSV
Member since Jan 2021
3562 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 2:12 pm to
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I know all of you Trump people will go to your grave saying he would have never done this, but he was one of the first people to get the vaccine and at one of his latest rally's he pleaded to people to go get the vaccine.




Hey dumbass, doing something yourself and encouraging others to do so is nothing remotely near FORCING people to do something. Your comprehension skills are about equal to a 4 year old.
Posted by evil cockroach
27.98N // 86.92E
Member since Nov 2007
8433 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 2:13 pm to
I wasn’t a tinfoil hat wearing idiot, therefore I was already vaccinated come Easter Sunday, so when my company made the announcement I was like, all good here

This post was edited on 9/11/21 at 2:15 pm
Posted by OweO
Plaquemine, La
Member since Sep 2009
118044 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 3:08 pm to
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Now offering a bonus to get the vaccine


Out of all the shite you have probably put in your body.. They are offering bonuses and you still refuse to get the vaccine?

What kind of bonus or we talking?

Are you against it that much? Has anyone died from the vaccine? At this point, if you rather not take it and not get a bonus, you just being stubborn AF and just don't want to change your mind.
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
16706 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 3:09 pm to
Go to work the next day.
Posted by lsunurse
Member since Dec 2005
129146 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 3:12 pm to
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When we got our first shot, the folks at the vaccination site encouraged us to sign up for CDC's V-Safe alerts which then encouraged us to report any adverse side effects directly to VAERS.



Same, signed up for the app and got frequent alerts to check in so often to report how I was doing

I still get alerts every now and then and got second shot in January
Posted by GusMcRae
Deep in the heart...
Member since Oct 2008
3612 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 3:13 pm to
Im a big freedom guy, and don't like the government telling anybody what to do, but...

Yesterday there were 34 Covid positive patients in my hospital's ICU. You know how many of them were vaccinated?

Zero... Nada... None

Now, make your own decision.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
137059 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 3:18 pm to
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If Trump was still president he would put a mandate in place as well.


Are you retarded?


Oh wait...
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
137059 posts
Posted on 9/11/21 at 3:22 pm to
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The tests you can buy at the pharmacy are super easy to use. Don’t quit just test. The EO is wrong and only intended to shift blame to the unvaccinated “trump” voters bc Xiden promised to crush covid. Now he needs to blame republicans even though his core constituents are the least vaccinated group.

Most companies that are following this mandate aren't allowing employees to use at home kits and they almost certainly won't pay for the expensive rapid tests. Therefore, it will be a significant financial burden on the employees.

It's all part of the left's plan to force people into submission while claiming they're not.


The same people putting this burden on the employees are the same people that assured us that getting an ID to vote was such a burden on these same people that it was akin to asking them to move the rock of Gibraltar
This post was edited on 9/11/21 at 3:30 pm
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