re: Florida teacher beaten and hospitalized after attack by 5-year-old student

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My wife is a teacher. In Louisiana, if this happened to my wife, she is legally required to not defend herself. If she lays one finger on the student, she gets fired. Regardless of what the student is doing to her. The principal has told her in the past “you defend yourself if something ever happens but if it leaves a red mark on the kids skin, the I have to take action” otherwise she gets fired.

The law is frickED UP for teachers.

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I can't speak to whether or not this is a Law on the books, but I can absolutely tell you I have never seen it applied.

I can see it being a case of you can't attack a kid first...

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The law is frickED UP for teachers.

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It is - and the law is the same for most public libraries - librarians can’t hit back, even if the hobo hits first

It's not uncommon. Guarantee the kid is on the spectrum. Those kids can't just be removed from a class for their behaviors. The teacher/admin has to show they fear "serious bodily damage" before a special needs kid can be removed from the class. Not just a thrown chair or kick in the shins. So it so happens that teachers become terrified of 5 year olds and start dramatizing every interaction with a problem kid. Not saying I necessarily fault them with some of these kids but it's pretty common.

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empty “cool down” room

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I experienced nearly the same when I was 6. My teacher asked me repeatedly to stop being and arse, essentially. I failed to comply, so she brought me to a “quiet room” where my dad proceeded to wear my arse out with his belt.

Guess what I never did again.

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you defend yourself if something ever happens but if it leaves a red mark on the kids skin, the I have to take action” otherwise she gets fired.

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Accidental knees to the solarplexus stop kindergarten attackers in their tracks and don't leave a mark. You'd be surprised how easy it is to throw on without looking like your throwing one.

This happens all too often. Most of the time it doesn't get reported about openly like this. I know of a kid only 6 years old who has threatened to, attempted to, and semi-successfully stabbed a teacher and a para. They take the kid out of class nearly everyday and the admin usually has him help in the office doing some nothingburger and rewards him with treats if he does the simplest of tasks. Other times, they are seen running down the hall chasing him, calling his name as he disrupts every classroom in the hallway.

He has an IEP (individualized education program), which is helpful for autistic children and other learning handicaps, but useless with him. They can't expel him, don't suspend him, and force these teachers and para's to just deal with it day after day, rinse and repeat.

It's about money and bullshite non thought out rules

Ummmmm….in Texas, it’s referred to as emotional disturbance in many cases and they absolutely will remove the child from general Ed classes. BUT, the have a very effective special education program (at least where we are) that addressing things proactively with both child and teacher in mind.

Watching a spectrum child in the cool down setting can be heartbreaking……I am not talking ADHD either.

Quick Google search

Overview of Pines Lakes Elementary School

The school's minority student enrollment is 90%.

The student-teacher ratio is 16:1

The student population is made up of 47% female students and 53% male students.

The school enrolls 72% economically disadvantaged students.


So - quick starting dindonuffin

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This happens all too often. Most of the time it doesn't get reported about openly like this. I know of a kid only 6 years old who has threatened to, attempted to, and semi-successfully stabbed a teacher and a para. They take the kid out of class nearly everyday and the admin usually has him help in the office doing some nothingburger and rewards him with treats if he does the simplest of tasks. Other times, they are seen running down the hall chasing him, calling his name as he disrupts every classroom in the hallway.

He has an IEP (individualized education program), which is helpful for autistic children and other learning handicaps, but useless with him. They can't expel him, don't suspend him, and force these teachers and para's to just deal with it day after day, rinse and repeat.

It's about money and bull shite non thought out rules

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Yep all of this. It's pretty ridiculous what teachers have to deal with these days.

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But it's common that teachers claim to be afraid of troubesome little kids

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I don't have a hard time believing this. I am struggling with a teacher being beat up to require hospitalization. Those are two different things and the subject of the OP.