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re: Florida man kills 70 year old customer and gets house arrest
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:08 pm to i am dan
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:08 pm to i am dan
If that seems like nothing to you then you're a different breed from me.
Has the killer been out on bond/bail or waiting in jail pending trial?
He also likely carries a felony conviction now.
Well, that is why there are consequences for that as well.
Has the killer been out on bond/bail or waiting in jail pending trial?
He also likely carries a felony conviction now.
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And if you think he's gonna sit in his house for two years, you're as stupid as the judge.
Well, that is why there are consequences for that as well.
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 12:09 pm
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Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:16 pm to chryso
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Apparently, if you say something rude it is ok to kill you.
What word, if spoken to white people, makes it ok for them to commit violence against someone?
In my early days working in the merchant marine, there was a white sailor who strangled to death a fellow black crewman for calling him "white boy".
I think the deal was that this particular phrase was known to provoke him beyond any rationale, and the victim had knowledge of this fact, and like the old man in the doughnut shop, went looking for a fight armed with intentional provocation.
Unfortunately I'm not familiar with the hard facts of this case, but from what I was told, the killer's lawyer was able to use the fact of intentional provocation, and was able to get him a significantly reduced sentence, something ridiculous like less than three years.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:20 pm to Amadeo
That's just as crazy as the story in the OP.
Seems condoning the assinine escalation of a stupid, benign situation to the point of someone dying is now okay.
I know fightingtiger or whatever his name is is trying to paint me into a racist corner with his "we must be of a different breed" line... made me laugh actually.
My point is that no matter what someone SAYS to you, physical violence shouldn't be justified. He's too worried about calling people racist though, so my point, which doesn't even involve race, went over his head.
Seems condoning the assinine escalation of a stupid, benign situation to the point of someone dying is now okay.
I know fightingtiger or whatever his name is is trying to paint me into a racist corner with his "we must be of a different breed" line... made me laugh actually.
My point is that no matter what someone SAYS to you, physical violence shouldn't be justified. He's too worried about calling people racist though, so my point, which doesn't even involve race, went over his head.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:20 pm to fr33manator
quote:Are you telling me black people are more likely to get lighter sentences for the same conduct as white people in the US criminal justice system?
Okay, let’s flip i around. Some mean old black man calls a white teen a cracker, and the teen punches him and he dies. You think that stupid kid is gonna get community service?
From what I read, the old man instigated a fight and got hit with a single punch. I think it is sad he died as a result, but the sentence seems fair regardless of race.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:24 pm to WDE24
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From what I read, the old man instigated a fight and got hit with a single punch. I think it is sad he died as a result, but the sentence seems fair regardless of race.
What name can I call you to make you throw a punch?
This was a 70 year old man too.
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:25 pm to fightin tigers
It’s just words man. So, essentially, the bro can be the deliverer of justice in his own eyes, and the executioner as well. Hmmmmm
I remember an incident with a cracker, a can of tea, and another deliverer of justice. When no one dies, it seems different.
I remember an incident with a cracker, a can of tea, and another deliverer of justice. When no one dies, it seems different.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:27 pm to fightin tigers
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The guy who punched him isn't getting off free. Guy probably has a felony conviction and financially will be fricked for a while.
Hopefully he doesn’t lose the fortune he amassed working at Dunkin Donuts.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:29 pm to i am dan
quote:I don’t know. I’m sure you could say something about my wife or kids that would cause me to punch you though.
What name can I call you to make you throw a punch?
quote:who instigated a confrontation and got hit with one punch. Which, according to you, is the equivalent of him being beaten in the head with a baseball bat.
This was a 70 year old man too.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:31 pm to i am dan
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I know fightingtiger or whatever his name is is trying to paint me into a racist corner with his "we must be of a different breed" line... made me laugh actually.
I meant it as being locked in my house for two years and losing my rights (that come with a felony) is more than I am willing to sacrifice to kill someone.
For some that might be worth it though.
Different breeds of people.
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 12:32 pm
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:33 pm to WDE24
I care less about the sentence (which, To be fair, I don’t think he meant to kill the old man.) and more about how it would be represented in the media.
I just think the justification, which we hear all the time, usually with zero evidence, of “they said THAT word.” Is bullshite.
I just think the justification, which we hear all the time, usually with zero evidence, of “they said THAT word.” Is bullshite.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:38 pm to fr33manator
There is an "ongoing" case in NOLA right now where a white kid punched and (I think) killed and older black guy.
Trying to find the story, it was a few years ago if I remember right. The killer is still awaiting trial last I heard.
Didn't reallt keep up with the case, but trying to find it.
Trying to find the story, it was a few years ago if I remember right. The killer is still awaiting trial last I heard.
Didn't reallt keep up with the case, but trying to find it.
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:39 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Putting aside the whole sex offender thing because we don’t know what that entails
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A registered sex offender, Cook made headlines in 2006 after police raided his home and found surveillance cameras mounted around a bed, homemade videos and DVDs, and boxes of photographs of nude men and boys, according to news reports.
He was accused of using comic books, candy and video games to lure teenage boys into his home. He used the boys to create pornographic videos, including one in which he recorded himself performing sex acts on a 16-year-old boy.
Sentenced to 5 years, served about 3 or so.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:40 pm to Mike da Tigah
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including Pujols' youth
Youth??? He was 27. He already asked someone to call police, but couldn’t control his anger long enough to let the police deal with a 77 year old man.
Unless the 27 year old is mentally diminished in some capacity a 27 year old knows that a 77 year old is likely not to fair as well with a punch like that.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:41 pm to Mike da Tigah
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Pujols
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27
Probably more like 36.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:44 pm to Mike da Tigah
Sorry the old guy died,but in the way this instance is described I'm on Pujols' side.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:47 pm to fightin tigers
I know we aren’t supposed to take stuff like this into account, but I find it hard not to.
Maybe we should change the law to “well, in general, you shouldn’t go around punching people for being mean, but if you luck out and kill a pedo, you get a light sentence.”
I do think this is relevant. In this case I’m leaning more towards the kid.
But in general, a mean word shouldn’t be the justification for an assault.
Maybe we should change the law to “well, in general, you shouldn’t go around punching people for being mean, but if you luck out and kill a pedo, you get a light sentence.”
I do think this is relevant. In this case I’m leaning more towards the kid.
But in general, a mean word shouldn’t be the justification for an assault.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:48 pm to chryso
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What word, if spoken to white people, makes it ok for them to commit violence against someone?
Not sure why you're being DV. I wonder the same thing, if I hit someone and kill them while being called a "honkey", will I get as light a sentence?
Im thinking not.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:50 pm to fightin tigers
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Sounds like the old man went looking for a fight and found one.
This isn't condoning the killer, but old man should have realized getting punched was a likely outcome for his actions.
Sounds more like the 27 year old came out from behind counter looking for a fight.
Also as a 27 year old he should have realized the likely outcome of punching a 77 year old man in anger instead of waiting for the police that he had already asked another employee to call before coming out looking for fight.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:51 pm to Mike da Tigah
"When Pujols, who is Black" -- When did we switch from AA to black? Is it when we capitalized the b? The coastal libs will using Colored by the EOY at this rate.
By we I mean them.
By we I mean them.
Posted on 3/9/22 at 12:54 pm to Tigerbait357
Replace "old man" with "woman". Does the guy who punched the old man, get the same sentence if it were a 40 y/o woman?
That being said, some things said, are expected to get a reaction. Imagine a stranger says something vile to your child. You walk away?
A couple of weeks ago, a friend of mine was driving thru Montgomery. Some idiots were driving like, well, idiots and cut her off. She threw her hands up like "WTF". They slowed down, got beside her in the other lane and took a shot at her. Luckily, they just hit the rear door. I say all that to say this: She put her story on FB. Some guy posted that she must've given them the bird, or something. He actually thought it may have been justifiable to shoot at someone over a hand gesture. It's a culture thing.
That being said, some things said, are expected to get a reaction. Imagine a stranger says something vile to your child. You walk away?
A couple of weeks ago, a friend of mine was driving thru Montgomery. Some idiots were driving like, well, idiots and cut her off. She threw her hands up like "WTF". They slowed down, got beside her in the other lane and took a shot at her. Luckily, they just hit the rear door. I say all that to say this: She put her story on FB. Some guy posted that she must've given them the bird, or something. He actually thought it may have been justifiable to shoot at someone over a hand gesture. It's a culture thing.
This post was edited on 3/9/22 at 1:11 pm
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