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re: Fewer Americans getting married
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:22 am to Salmon
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:22 am to Salmon
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So the people who really need the security and financial benifits of a marriage.
They most likely get more benefits for not being married.
It's such a short-sighted equation, though.
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Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:22 am to SlowFlowPro
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poor people/the underclass aren't getting married and their share of the population is growing
marriage is a behavior of the middle class and up, these days
because middle class and up understand the benefits of marriage with raising a child
but I do believe that the overall trend of younger generations being less religious is having an affect as well, as there is less pressure to get married for that reason alone
in the past, the poor/underclass would still get married due to the religious pressure, now they don't have that
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:25 am to GumboDave
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religious people can be shitty human beings.
wrong
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 10:26 am
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:26 am to mpar98
I'm a young guy (Over/Under 30)
I've been in a committed relationship for 6 years now.
I have explained to her and to her family that I think marriage is a terrible deal for a man.
I take care of my significant other. I buy her new tires for her vehicle when she needs. We live together. I buy her food. I take care of her.
I will not marry her. Even if we have kids. The benefit to me is non-existent so why would I ever consider it? A small break on my taxes? No thanks, about a million other ways to get that which don't involve mortgaging my future income. I work too hard for that.
I've been in a committed relationship for 6 years now.
I have explained to her and to her family that I think marriage is a terrible deal for a man.
I take care of my significant other. I buy her new tires for her vehicle when she needs. We live together. I buy her food. I take care of her.
I will not marry her. Even if we have kids. The benefit to me is non-existent so why would I ever consider it? A small break on my taxes? No thanks, about a million other ways to get that which don't involve mortgaging my future income. I work too hard for that.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 10:27 am
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:26 am to Salmon
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Yes
Maybe the reason less people are getting married is because they have seen so many failed marriages from previous generations.
Love and religion do not have to go hand in hand.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:28 am to Wind
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I have explained to her and to her family that I think marriage is a terrible deal for a man.
I hope the future SO of my daughter never tries to feed me this shite to my face...
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:29 am to GumboDave
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Maybe the reason less people are getting married is because they have seen so many failed marriages from previous generations.
I'm sure it's a factor as well.
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Love and religion do not have to go hand in hand.
Of course it doesn't.
I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:31 am to Muice
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I hope the future SO of my daughter never tries to feed me this shite to my face...
I am a college educated, healthy male who makes a great salary and is from a stable family who provides "your daughter" with everything she wants or needs. I respect her, I help with her school, I push her to succeed and on top of all that, I truly love her.
You're going to be "pissed" because I refuse to sign binding legal documents that only benefit her and put me in a compromising position and incentive her to leave me in the future?
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 10:38 am
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:31 am to Wind
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I will not marry her. Even if we have kids. The benefit to me is non-existent so why would I ever consider it? A small break on my taxes? No thanks, about a million other ways to get that which don't involve mortgaging my future income. I work too hard for that.
Every single study will tell you that kids that are raised in a married household have more general success in life than those that don't.
Could yours be outliers? Of course. But there are obvious benefits to the structure and security when raising children.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:32 am to Salmon
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but I do believe that the overall trend of younger generations being less religious is having an affect as well, as there is less pressure to get married for that reason alone
but that kind of doesn't make sense b/c the underclass is more religious and getting married less, while the less religious are getting married more. i get what you're saying but it doesn't seem to fit
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:32 am to Salmon
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I have no idea what point you are trying to make.
Im arguing against your statement that the reason less people are getting married is because they are less religious than previous generations.
I don't believe that has anything to do with it.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 10:33 am
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:32 am to NOLAManBlog
When the coffers run out. When the debt comes due. When the fighting starts.
Once civility begins to break down and the thin veneer of society shatters the world will begin its swift return to the old ways.
Blood and fire shall be the order of the day. Only power shall prevail.
Once civility begins to break down and the thin veneer of society shatters the world will begin its swift return to the old ways.
Blood and fire shall be the order of the day. Only power shall prevail.
This post was edited on 7/28/17 at 10:35 am
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:32 am to Wind
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I will not marry her. Even if we have kids. The benefit to me is non-existent so why would I ever consider it
You don't sound all that "committed". You're ensuring future failure by placing money first. Why have kids with a woman you are not willing to marry?
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:33 am to Y.A. Tittle
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It's such a short-sighted equation, though.
not when your failures are excused and removed from your individual responsibility
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:33 am to SlowFlowPro
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the underclass is more religious and getting married less, while the less religious are getting married more.
Where are you getting this?
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:33 am to Salmon
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But there are obvious benefits to the structure and security when raising children.
This is the only part that matters.
There is nothing the actual "marriage' provides that improves structure and security.
If we are in a committed relationship for 30 years, we raise kids for 20 of that and we treat each other with love and respect and care for our kids as any married couple would, why does a court document make or break my parenting?
There is NO benefit to the marriage. There is a benefit to being a responsible adult who is committed to their SO and children.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:33 am to Wind
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Wind
Generally, I do not disagree with what you are saying, but your kids will be bastards.
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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but that kind of doesn't make sense b/c the underclass is more religious and getting married less
they are more religious than the upper class, but are still trending down with the rest of society
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while the less religious are getting married more.
are they getting married more? are just staying the same?
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:34 am to Collegedropout
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talking about getting nannies for their kids and not ever interacting with them,
I interact with nannies pretty often
Posted on 7/28/17 at 10:34 am to Saskwatch
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Why have kids with a woman you are not willing to marry?
I am not willing to marry ANYONE. Man. Woman. Dog. Alien.
Marriage is an awful deal for the "man" / breadwinner.
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