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re: FEMA chief calls deadly tornadoes ‘new normal’ due to climate change
Posted on 12/13/21 at 3:30 pm to Clames
Posted on 12/13/21 at 3:30 pm to Clames
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The hoax part, that you of course missed because you lack an education beyond 7th Grade, is the part about attributing infrequent events such as this tornado outbreak to any kind of man-made climate change. It's ignorant, uneducated drivel that only imbeciles like you parrot.
Oh sure, let’s look the other way regarding years of deforestation and pollution and how that has negatively impacted climate.
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 12/13/21 at 3:38 pm to c on z
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Oh sure, let’s look the other way regarding years of deforestation and pollution and how that has negatively impacted climate.
While you look away when empirical evidence supports nothing you've asserted. Yes, you little moron, you just keep being you...
Posted on 12/13/21 at 3:49 pm to stout
Surprised they didn’t blame it on white supremacy.
Although I’m sure in the Democrats minds white supremacy and climate change are linked.
Although I’m sure in the Democrats minds white supremacy and climate change are linked.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 4:00 pm to SwampGar
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You thick-skulled geezers are something else.
NASA fully supports evidence towards climate change. Are they a hoax?
Inb4
#moonlanding
Climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
I cannot speak to the correlation between climate change and tornadoes, but climate change is happening.
Very few, if any, people in this thread (and elsewhere) are doubting the climate is "changing." I think we can all agree that it's changing, and you have the nerve to call others "thick-skulled geezers."
The doubt only comes with the effect that man has on that climate change, or the ability for man to fix it. The climate has been constantly changing in major cycles for all of earth's history, ice ages and warming cycles over and over again over a period of millions of years.
Who the hell do we think we are to stop those cycles by using more wind and solar power or cutting out carbon emissions? You're the thick-skulled gullible geezer if you think there's anything man can do to stop these multi-million year old cycles. Especially if you think that world governments spending tax dollars on "PROGRESS" is the solution
Posted on 12/13/21 at 4:27 pm to stout
quote:Because they’re one of two things
Why do they keep repeating it?
Corrupt and looking to profit from the narrative
They’re morons. I think this actually covers a sizable majority of them
If you look at the geological history of the planet, “climate change” concerns are absolutely laughable
Posted on 12/13/21 at 4:40 pm to stout
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The deadliest tornado recorded in U.S. history was the Tri-State Tornado, which struck Missouri, Illinois and Indiana in 1925.
because weve never had deadly storms before.
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The “Great” Galveston Hurricane of 1900 is by far the deadliest natural disaster to impact the United States. It made landfall on Sept. 8, 1900 as a Category 4 hurricane with winds of 145 mph. After crossing over Cuba as a tropical storm, it emerged from the Florida straight and quickly intensified to hurricane status. The storm continued to churn in the Gulf of Mexico, gaining strength before making a right turn into Texas. Galveston was hit with catastrophic damage, but the destruction wasn’t confined to the Gulf area. The storm continued its path north and slowly weakened as it passed over Oklahoma, the Great Lakes and Halifax, Nova Scotia in Canada.
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 4:42 pm
Posted on 12/13/21 at 4:47 pm to c on z
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Oh sure, let’s look the other way regarding years of deforestation and pollution and how that has negatively impacted climate.
You dont see a problem with fear mongering? Its one huge grift.
Weve had several hurricanes before katrina that were the worst hurricanes. Now because we get hit by one in 2021 its the worst ever when in reality its not even close to ones from 100 years ago.
Or how about the earth cooled 2 degrees when krakatoa erupted and we are just not getting back to the temp the earth was at in the late 1800s.
Why not just push common sense pollution control and not the bullshite that wed all be cannibals rt now? Which is exactly what Ted Turner and CNN pushed when i was younger.
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 4:49 pm
Posted on 12/13/21 at 4:54 pm to stout
Kindly tell this person that he can go frick himself.
I think I have a right to this cause.
I think I have a right to this cause.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 5:08 pm to hollybeachsecrets
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This heat is what led to a massive outbreak of tornadoes in December. At some point you people on here will have to give up some ground because these events happen over and over and you have the same response every time.
You’re a fricking moron, that’s not what causes tornadoes. Surprised you didn’t blame sharks for those sharknadoes off the gulf coast. I’ve lived the majority of my existence in or around tornado alley and have had to run to a basement more than a few times, you twit. You need a very specific set of circumstances for a severe thunderstorm or line of thunderstorms to produce tornadoes. Very few thunderstorms produce tornadoes, a storm needs this thing called lift to produce enough of an updraft to create winds that can change speed at multiple directions within the thunderstorm itself. So if it was only heat involved there would be no such thing as a tornado. It’s when a cold air mass collides with a warm air mass that the conditions are viable for an outbreak of tornadoes and even then it’s a rarity.
10,000 years ago a cold air mass out of Canada met a warm air mass out of the Gulf of Mexico and boom a zone of tornadic destruction was born and 10,000 years from now the exact same scenario will take place. Your hubris,to think we have any effect upon that, is staggering.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 5:12 pm to stout
The jet stream has moved over the last few years. I think that will cause more warmer December's that bring on more tornadoes (in December) not necessarily effecting the overall amount of tornadoes. Seems like there have been colder marches and April's... The bass fishing agrees with me on temps or perceived temps cause they be spawning later at least in TVA lakes.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 5:16 pm to hollybeachsecrets
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This heat is what led to a massive outbreak of tornadoes in December.
Really?
Posted on 12/13/21 at 5:24 pm to LegendInMyMind
Heat does play a role in creating atmospheric conditions. You can literally see it on lakes in the spring when the sun rises and there is a subtle breeze. Water/fog is evaporating in the air and there are miniature versions of upward draft. Same thing on a much grander scale. You need heat, you need water, cold, and a little bit of wind. When all those things collide you get Naders. Wt November's and a warm front in December usually create conditions ripe for a storm. Happens every year. Nothing new.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 6:18 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
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Heat does play a role in creating atmospheric conditions.
I'm aware.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 6:43 pm to stout
Temperatures are up. Storms feed on the energy of heat.
More consistent heat = more consistent strong storms
Not sure why this is even controversial. Take the "man made" out of the equation if you'd like. Call it a "warming period" in history. Whatever. No one cares. Storms will continue to become consistently stronger as the Earth warms.
That doesn't mean strong storms didn't happen in the past. It means they have not occurred with such consistency as they have in the last 10-20 years.
More consistent heat = more consistent strong storms
Not sure why this is even controversial. Take the "man made" out of the equation if you'd like. Call it a "warming period" in history. Whatever. No one cares. Storms will continue to become consistently stronger as the Earth warms.
That doesn't mean strong storms didn't happen in the past. It means they have not occurred with such consistency as they have in the last 10-20 years.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 7:07 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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It means they have not occurred with such consistency as they have in the last 10-20 years.
Man, you truly believe that, don't you?
Posted on 12/13/21 at 7:09 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Take the "man made" out of the equation if you'd like. Call it a "warming period" in history. Whatever. No one cares
No one besides the morons you vote for, which gets us back lighting money on fire in stupid accords and what not.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 7:11 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Temperatures are up. Storms feed on the energy of heat.
More consistent heat = more consistent strong storms
What do you believe the main driver of the pattern we have been in for the past year and a half or so is, and what part does it play in the storms we saw the other day?
Posted on 12/13/21 at 7:12 pm to mmmmmbeeer
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Storms will continue to become consistently stronger as the Earth warms.
Hmmmm
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It means they have not occurred with such consistency as they have in the last 10-20 years.
Hmmmm, again.
Posted on 12/13/21 at 8:06 pm to shel311
quote:Found it...
What's new about tornadoes?
I wish I had saved it but I found on Twitter a graph showing something along the lines of year by year and the number or maybe average size of tornadoes each year.
The graph up to current times trended down, meaning there's been less major tornadoes as the years go by
LINK
Posted on 12/13/21 at 8:47 pm to Abstract Queso Dip
quote:It's a la Nina year. Known weather pattern to be warmer over central US.
The jet stream has moved over the last few years. I think that will cause more warmer December's that bring on more tornadoes (in December) not necessarily effecting the overall amount of tornadoes. Seems like there have been colder marches and April's... The bass fishing agrees with me on temps or perceived temps cause they be spawning later at least in TVA lakes.
Little Rock NWS pegged this weeks ago. LINK
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Interestingly, the most recent huge episodes of snow, ice, and severe thunderstorms occurred when La Niña conditions were dominant, or when water temperatures near the equator in the Pacific Ocean were colder than normal.
With La Niña in control, the largest tornado outbreak in Arkansas took place in January of 1999. There were 56 tornadoes spawned. In December of 2000, two crippling ice storms occurred, and remain one of the largest natural disasters in state history. In February of 2008, a tornado tracked 122 miles through seven counties in the north and west. This was a record long track in the state. Another devastating ice storm hit the north in January of 2009. Finally, one to two feet of snow buried the Ozark Mountains in February of 2011. In April and May, an astonishing 67 (of the yearly total of 75) tornadoes were counted. There was also record flooding along the Black and lower White Rivers.
During several of these historic events, La Niña was strong (water temperatures were more than 1.5°C below normal). Since early 2012, La Niña has largely been infrequent and weak.
It appears this will be a moderate (versus weak) La Niña (water temperatures from 1.0°C to 1.5°C cooler than usual). This not only boosts the confidence in the forecast, but it also increases the chances of extreme weather (such as severe storms/tornadoes).
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