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re: FEMA chief calls deadly tornadoes ‘new normal’ due to climate change

Posted on 12/13/21 at 3:30 pm to
Posted by c on z
Zamunda
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 12/13/21 at 3:30 pm to
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The hoax part, that you of course missed because you lack an education beyond 7th Grade, is the part about attributing infrequent events such as this tornado outbreak to any kind of man-made climate change. It's ignorant, uneducated drivel that only imbeciles like you parrot.

Oh sure, let’s look the other way regarding years of deforestation and pollution and how that has negatively impacted climate.
This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 3:31 pm
Posted by Clames
Member since Oct 2010
18909 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 3:38 pm to
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Oh sure, let’s look the other way regarding years of deforestation and pollution and how that has negatively impacted climate.


While you look away when empirical evidence supports nothing you've asserted. Yes, you little moron, you just keep being you...
Posted by 632627
LA
Member since Dec 2011
14673 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 3:49 pm to
Surprised they didn’t blame it on white supremacy.

Although I’m sure in the Democrats minds white supremacy and climate change are linked.
Posted by RazorBroncs
Possesses the largest
Member since Sep 2013
15782 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 4:00 pm to
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You thick-skulled geezers are something else.

NASA fully supports evidence towards climate change. Are they a hoax?

Inb4
#moonlanding

Climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

I cannot speak to the correlation between climate change and tornadoes, but climate change is happening.


Very few, if any, people in this thread (and elsewhere) are doubting the climate is "changing." I think we can all agree that it's changing, and you have the nerve to call others "thick-skulled geezers."

The doubt only comes with the effect that man has on that climate change, or the ability for man to fix it. The climate has been constantly changing in major cycles for all of earth's history, ice ages and warming cycles over and over again over a period of millions of years.

Who the hell do we think we are to stop those cycles by using more wind and solar power or cutting out carbon emissions? You're the thick-skulled gullible geezer if you think there's anything man can do to stop these multi-million year old cycles. Especially if you think that world governments spending tax dollars on "PROGRESS" is the solution
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
20486 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 4:27 pm to
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Why do they keep repeating it?
Because they’re one of two things

Corrupt and looking to profit from the narrative

They’re morons. I think this actually covers a sizable majority of them

If you look at the geological history of the planet, “climate change” concerns are absolutely laughable
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85994 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 4:40 pm to
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The deadliest tornado recorded in U.S. history was the Tri-State Tornado, which struck Missouri, Illinois and Indiana in 1925.



because weve never had deadly storms before.



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The “Great” Galveston Hurricane of 1900 is by far the deadliest natural disaster to impact the United States. It made landfall on Sept. 8, 1900 as a Category 4 hurricane with winds of 145 mph. After crossing over Cuba as a tropical storm, it emerged from the Florida straight and quickly intensified to hurricane status. The storm continued to churn in the Gulf of Mexico, gaining strength before making a right turn into Texas. Galveston was hit with catastrophic damage, but the destruction wasn’t confined to the Gulf area. The storm continued its path north and slowly weakened as it passed over Oklahoma, the Great Lakes and Halifax, Nova Scotia in Canada.


This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 4:42 pm
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
85994 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 4:47 pm to
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Oh sure, let’s look the other way regarding years of deforestation and pollution and how that has negatively impacted climate.



You dont see a problem with fear mongering? Its one huge grift.

Weve had several hurricanes before katrina that were the worst hurricanes. Now because we get hit by one in 2021 its the worst ever when in reality its not even close to ones from 100 years ago.

Or how about the earth cooled 2 degrees when krakatoa erupted and we are just not getting back to the temp the earth was at in the late 1800s.

Why not just push common sense pollution control and not the bullshite that wed all be cannibals rt now? Which is exactly what Ted Turner and CNN pushed when i was younger.


This post was edited on 12/13/21 at 4:49 pm
Posted by Pisco
Mayfield, Kentucky
Member since Dec 2019
4310 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 4:54 pm to
Kindly tell this person that he can go frick himself.

I think I have a right to this cause.
Posted by Boomdaddy65201
BoCoMo
Member since Mar 2020
4135 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 5:08 pm to
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This heat is what led to a massive outbreak of tornadoes in December. At some point you people on here will have to give up some ground because these events happen over and over and you have the same response every time.


You’re a fricking moron, that’s not what causes tornadoes. Surprised you didn’t blame sharks for those sharknadoes off the gulf coast. I’ve lived the majority of my existence in or around tornado alley and have had to run to a basement more than a few times, you twit. You need a very specific set of circumstances for a severe thunderstorm or line of thunderstorms to produce tornadoes. Very few thunderstorms produce tornadoes, a storm needs this thing called lift to produce enough of an updraft to create winds that can change speed at multiple directions within the thunderstorm itself. So if it was only heat involved there would be no such thing as a tornado. It’s when a cold air mass collides with a warm air mass that the conditions are viable for an outbreak of tornadoes and even then it’s a rarity.
10,000 years ago a cold air mass out of Canada met a warm air mass out of the Gulf of Mexico and boom a zone of tornadic destruction was born and 10,000 years from now the exact same scenario will take place. Your hubris,to think we have any effect upon that, is staggering.
Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
Member since Mar 2021
5878 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 5:12 pm to
The jet stream has moved over the last few years. I think that will cause more warmer December's that bring on more tornadoes (in December) not necessarily effecting the overall amount of tornadoes. Seems like there have been colder marches and April's... The bass fishing agrees with me on temps or perceived temps cause they be spawning later at least in TVA lakes.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71716 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 5:16 pm to
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This heat is what led to a massive outbreak of tornadoes in December.

Really?

Posted by Abstract Queso Dip
Member since Mar 2021
5878 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 5:24 pm to
Heat does play a role in creating atmospheric conditions. You can literally see it on lakes in the spring when the sun rises and there is a subtle breeze. Water/fog is evaporating in the air and there are miniature versions of upward draft. Same thing on a much grander scale. You need heat, you need water, cold, and a little bit of wind. When all those things collide you get Naders. Wt November's and a warm front in December usually create conditions ripe for a storm. Happens every year. Nothing new.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71716 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 6:18 pm to
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Heat does play a role in creating atmospheric conditions.

I'm aware.
Posted by mmmmmbeeer
ATL
Member since Nov 2014
9776 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 6:43 pm to
Temperatures are up. Storms feed on the energy of heat.

More consistent heat = more consistent strong storms

Not sure why this is even controversial. Take the "man made" out of the equation if you'd like. Call it a "warming period" in history. Whatever. No one cares. Storms will continue to become consistently stronger as the Earth warms.

That doesn't mean strong storms didn't happen in the past. It means they have not occurred with such consistency as they have in the last 10-20 years.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
179579 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 7:07 pm to
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It means they have not occurred with such consistency as they have in the last 10-20 years.


Man, you truly believe that, don't you?
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Member since Jun 2009
88715 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 7:09 pm to
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Take the "man made" out of the equation if you'd like. Call it a "warming period" in history. Whatever. No one cares


No one besides the morons you vote for, which gets us back lighting money on fire in stupid accords and what not.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71716 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 7:11 pm to
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Temperatures are up. Storms feed on the energy of heat.

More consistent heat = more consistent strong storms

What do you believe the main driver of the pattern we have been in for the past year and a half or so is, and what part does it play in the storms we saw the other day?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71716 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 7:12 pm to
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Storms will continue to become consistently stronger as the Earth warms.


Hmmmm

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It means they have not occurred with such consistency as they have in the last 10-20 years.

Hmmmm, again.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112624 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 8:06 pm to
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What's new about tornadoes?
I wish I had saved it but I found on Twitter a graph showing something along the lines of year by year and the number or maybe average size of tornadoes each year.

The graph up to current times trended down, meaning there's been less major tornadoes as the years go by
Found it...

LINK
Posted by Taxing Authority
Houston
Member since Feb 2010
62582 posts
Posted on 12/13/21 at 8:47 pm to
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The jet stream has moved over the last few years. I think that will cause more warmer December's that bring on more tornadoes (in December) not necessarily effecting the overall amount of tornadoes. Seems like there have been colder marches and April's... The bass fishing agrees with me on temps or perceived temps cause they be spawning later at least in TVA lakes.
It's a la Nina year. Known weather pattern to be warmer over central US.

Little Rock NWS pegged this weeks ago. LINK

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Interestingly, the most recent huge episodes of snow, ice, and severe thunderstorms occurred when La Niña conditions were dominant, or when water temperatures near the equator in the Pacific Ocean were colder than normal.

With La Niña in control, the largest tornado outbreak in Arkansas took place in January of 1999. There were 56 tornadoes spawned. In December of 2000, two crippling ice storms occurred, and remain one of the largest natural disasters in state history. In February of 2008, a tornado tracked 122 miles through seven counties in the north and west. This was a record long track in the state. Another devastating ice storm hit the north in January of 2009. Finally, one to two feet of snow buried the Ozark Mountains in February of 2011. In April and May, an astonishing 67 (of the yearly total of 75) tornadoes were counted. There was also record flooding along the Black and lower White Rivers.

During several of these historic events, La Niña was strong (water temperatures were more than 1.5°C below normal). Since early 2012, La Niña has largely been infrequent and weak.

It appears this will be a moderate (versus weak) La Niña (water temperatures from 1.0°C to 1.5°C cooler than usual). This not only boosts the confidence in the forecast, but it also increases the chances of extreme weather (such as severe storms/tornadoes).
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