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Posted on 8/23/21 at 1:28 pm to BluegrassBelle
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This isn’t something new.
Never said it was - just laughing bc it’s really a non issue
States decide what the rules are, people contest, and the courts throw it out
Nothing has really been changed for most states for a long time
Plus, the other cases that Jacobson vs Mass was used for make me chuckle - like Buck v Bell and Prince v Mass
Posted on 8/23/21 at 1:33 pm to calcotron
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If you haven't lost respect for doctors and especially hospital administrations over the past year, then you haven't really watched the way they have manipulated damn near every communication and still continue to do so. No I don't trust that the doctors did anything but succumb to peer/management pressure.
You are talking to a man whose wife is a CT surgeon and has more than a dozen close Dr friends. You can expect I have a different opinion. EVER single doc I know personally wanted the vaccine and had zero hesitancy. You are suggesting a situation where they were forced into something they didn't want to do then came home and recommended their spouse, adult children and everyone else they loved take the vaccine. That is suggesting a near sociopathic modus operandi spread across an entire profession that you likely will be at least figuratively begging for their help at some point in your life or someone you love. Doctors ain't perfect but bruh.
The messaging has been horrible. They are working from years old PR "books". I could spend all day talking about messaging issues with groups. You have to speak to large groups like children (consider the run on TP spawned from a SM post for a virus that didn't cause diarrhea) but you have to treat individuals like adults. Make that conundrum work when you are trying to herd cats.
This post was edited on 8/23/21 at 1:51 pm
Posted on 8/23/21 at 1:35 pm to ell_13
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It’s my guesstimate based on when they released their vaccine compared to Pfizer.
They may be a little farther out because they started a rolling submission about 3-4 weeks after Pfizer filed the full BLA.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 1:41 pm to Cowboyfan89
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Nature has one job and it is to try to kill you because trying to kill you makes sure that if you survive her attempt you are among the strong.
Huh???
ABSOLUTELY, if you don't understand that you missed the class on Darwin. Nature is like a psychotic drill sergeant it only wants to make the breed better the number of bodies is a non-issue as long as the stock gets better.
If you can see the anthropomorphizing not sure I can help.
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If it weren't for medicine fighting back the chance are very high you would be part of her body count, whether you think so or not.
For a virus with a 99+% survival rate?
Come on, man.
You are having a hard time with context. That was clearly in regards to nature's constant attempts on your life.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 1:45 pm to GreenRockTiger
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Lol
This lady has the last LOL and she sees things differently.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 1:46 pm to TxTiger82
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Fun fact: LSU already requires several vaccines for incoming students. Now that the FDA has approved Pfizer, they're out of excuses. Time for a campus-wide mandate for any and all students, faculty, and staff, IMO.
Mississippi has long had strict vaccine policies for schools, it will be interesting if that continues with Covid
Posted on 8/23/21 at 1:49 pm to waiting4saturday
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no. You basically sue the government in a kangaroo vaccine court
how many VICP claims have you filed? Seriously, do you know the first thing about it?
Posted on 8/23/21 at 1:54 pm to Obtuse1
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You have to speak to large groups like children (consider the run on TP spawned from a SM post for a virus that didn't cause diarrhea) but you have to treat individuals like adults.
I would say 5-10% had severe gastrointestinal issues from it.
But I agree with you.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 1:56 pm to Obtuse1
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Seriously, do you know the first thing about it?
I know what CICP/VICP are from reading your posts and IIRC you mentioned kangaroos several times
ETA: thank you for your seemingly tireless efforts to edify us
This post was edited on 8/23/21 at 2:00 pm
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:05 pm to Obtuse1
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The messaging has been horrible.
That's what I'm saying. The AAP pushing for kids to wear cloth masks that don't work. The dramatized BS headlines they spew every day with the purpose of scaring people to do something. I don't decide anything based on messaging, I prefer math. I just sit back and see the situation that's been created. The messaging has done more harm than good as a whole.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:15 pm to Obtuse1
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ABSOLUTELY, if you don't understand that you missed the class on Darwin. Nature is like a psychotic drill sergeant it only wants to make the breed better the number of bodies is a non-issue as long as the stock gets better.
As a biologist, I have Darwin on my bookshelf. Maybe you should reread Origin, because there's none of this touchy-Feely "Mother Nature as a Drill Seargent" BS. Nature doesn't care whether you or your species survives or not; it's not trying to make you better. Is that some kind of screwy Common Core interpretation of Darwin? Adapt or Die. That is Darwin. Either the species adapts to changes, or it dies. Something else can always fill a niche.
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You are having a hard time with context. That was clearly in regards to nature's constant attempts on your life.
This is a stupid point you're trying to make. Everyone dies.
With or without medicine, you die. Homo sapiens has been on this planet for at least 200k years. Only in the last few centuries has medicine played a role in our "survival". Has medicine extended our average lifespan? It's hard to argue that it hasn't played a role, but it's not eliminating death. Maybe certain ways in which people might die (plague, polio, etc.), but not death itself.
Again...come on, man.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 2:49 pm to Cowboyfan89
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As a biologist,
Maybe that is your block for hyperbole, simile and anthropomorphism. Dude, I was just blowing off a little in a post and you are trying to be pedantic. You are like the nerd kid that pops into a room when someone is halfway through a joke and the first word out of their mouth is "actually". Read the room.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:01 pm to Obtuse1
So your original comment was NOT an attempt to insinuate that people only survive Nature's assaults because of medicine?
Don't crawfish now.
Call me whatever you want. I dont really care. First half of your post made sense and was logical. The second half was drivel.
Don't crawfish now.
Call me whatever you want. I dont really care. First half of your post made sense and was logical. The second half was drivel.
This post was edited on 8/23/21 at 3:06 pm
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:31 pm to calcotron
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I didn't specifically say that the vaccine risk was higher, the numbers were actually pretty close but the virus risk was higher.
Here’s the part that’s hard to parse out from people who say they would rather take their chances with the virus than the shot. Do you reject the premise that getting vaccinated helps others everyone because you don’t believe the evidence supports that premise (e.g. you think vaxxed people spread covid the exact same as the unvaxxed), or do you just not care to contribute to community protection?
If it’s the former than we can have a conversation based on what the evidence says. But if it’s the latter, what’s the point?
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:44 pm to ned nederlander
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do you just not care to contribute to community protection?
Nobody actually cares about this, and if they say they do, they are lying. People are selfish. They may act like it's about "community protection", but it's really just "I don't want you risking my health because of your dumb decisions."
If people really cared about the community, there wouldn't be so much division in this country today.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 3:59 pm to Cowboyfan89
quote:I do, and ned here seems to. I will hazard a guess that we are not alone.
Nobody actually cares about this, and if they say they do, they are lying.
quote:Speak for youself.
People are selfish.
quote:Do you think we can kind of zero in on the type of people creating the division?
If people really cared about the community, there wouldn't be so much division in this country today.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 4:11 pm to Korkstand
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Do you think we can kind of zero in on the type of people creating the division?
It takes all kinds to make a can of mixed nuts.
Nobody was definitely over the top, I'll admit that. But I do believe the majority of people are feigning concern for their community as a way to impose their will on others. And this isn't the only example of this feigned concern, either. We've been experiencing it for quite a few years now.
This post was edited on 8/23/21 at 4:15 pm
Posted on 8/23/21 at 4:36 pm to Fun Bunch
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there really aren't many
How many deaths is too many?
And, how come each and everyone of those is not autopsied to determine if the vaccine had anything to do with it? Such as clotting etc...Maybe not a single death has anything to do with the vaccines? Maybe more than we are comfortable with does? It has not been followed up on.
The point is, very few side effects and deaths are actually being looked into. Despite what people believe.
Posted on 8/23/21 at 4:38 pm to ned nederlander
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do you just not care to contribute to community protection?
I pay taxes. I vote.
Everything else is neither my responsibility or my business. Expecting and mandating one to inject themselves with something so that another can feel safe should not even be considered as a possibility by any adult american as possible, yet here we are.
Use it as a spotlight to your virtues all you want, but don't make the mistake that anyone has to share in those virtues.
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