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re: FDA approval for Pfizer vaccine expected to happen Monday per New York Times
Posted on 8/20/21 at 9:36 pm to Korkstand
Posted on 8/20/21 at 9:36 pm to Korkstand
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What kind of dumbass lets himself get painted into a corner?
I never said they arent dumb for feeling that way but its a real thing. Yall should quit ridiculing them over it because all you're doing is pushing them further away at this point. The majority of the people that are completely anti-vax are because they dont trust you. They arent going to come around no matter how hard you push. Let them see the facts and statistics for themselves and make an informed decision. I'm open to coming around myself if I hear a good argument or am convinced that covid is a real risk to me like I did for my parents but claiming those that have chosen not to get vaccinated are selfish and histrionically claiming they're all choosing death is not a good argument at this point. The type of people persuaded by those arguments have already succumbed to the pressure by now. It's time to let people come around or not based strictly on facts and statistics, not histrionics and societal pressure.
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Posted on 8/20/21 at 9:39 pm to Cosmo
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Based on what?
The same general process that you deem it’s not.
Posted on 8/20/21 at 9:39 pm to Obtuse1
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If I edit my normal vocabulary to words 4th graders understand that means I think I am responding to a moron. So if you see me reply to a post in only monosyllabic words then you can safely infer my choice is to subtly indicate I think they are thick.
You're an attorney?
Your post just now sure reminded me of the posting style of another attorney that used to post here under "Just Me"
Posted on 8/20/21 at 9:43 pm to Sao
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Proof the FDA reads this board. There goes the last line of defense
Never seen anyone say this is why they aren't getting it.
Posted on 8/20/21 at 9:43 pm to NIH
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The height of irony is all of these small government “conservatives” whining about wanting more gov red tape and the ability to hire a Plaintiff’s attorney if need be.
More red tape to limit more Govt mandates actually seems more conservative.
If it’s about companies requiring it i do want to hear why approval is coming faster than estimated. Most recent estimates had it happening in January 2022. Surely this isn’t being rushed for politics or insider enrichment…
Regardless Kamala accused Trump of rushing vaccine when she said she wasn’t going to get it before power changed her mind, but now she appears to be even more ignorant and I guess better at bj’s than we had already heard as reason for her success in California politics if it’s getting approval this fast. Maybe she is sucking the remaining life force out of Joe which is why he wanted to go to Delaware to rest.
Posted on 8/20/21 at 9:44 pm to Sao
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Proof the FDA reads this board. There goes the last line of defense
The CDC definitely reads the PT board. No other way to explain how batshit insane they’ve gotten.
Posted on 8/20/21 at 9:52 pm to Cosmo
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Name another drug that had 500 million subjects before getting full approval. Ill wait for eternity
Your complete lack of understanding of how scientific testing works is as staggering as the widespread group stupidity of this board.
Nothing about this mass experiment follows the scientific method. From control groups and testing methods, to data collection and confounding factors analysis. If you think this is a proper phase iii trial then you've earned your blissful ignorance i guess.
Posted on 8/20/21 at 10:00 pm to pigskinGod
quote:You know what, maybe you're right. Maybe I should put the needs of others above my own. Sound good?
I never said they arent dumb for feeling that way but its a real thing. Yall should quit ridiculing them over it because all you're doing is pushing them further away at this point. The majority of the people that are completely anti-vax are because they dont trust you.
quote:The facts and statistics are available for all who want to see them. Unfortunately, there is also a lot of mis/disinformation out there that these people prefer, simply because it supports their already-held beliefs. No stats can beat that.
Let them see the facts and statistics for themselves and make an informed decision.
quote:Ok, let's try. Vaccine efficacy is not and cannot be measured at the individual level, a person either gets sick or they don't. It can only be measured among a population, vaccinated vs. control, and the results help to determine by how much risk of getting sick was reduced. Some vaccinated get sick, and some unvaccinated don't. It takes more people to determine risk. Got it so far?
I'm open to coming around myself if I hear a good argument or am convinced that covid is a real risk to me like I did for my parents
In the case of your parents, good on you for convincing them. Now you, as their child who is presumably in their presence on occasion, need to recognize that YOU influence their risk as much as the vaccine does. If YOU are vaccinated and reduce your own risk of getting sick, or reduce the severity of your own illness, or reduce the duration of your own contagiousness, then you will be reducing your parents' risk of contracting it from you. Same goes for anyone else that they interact with.
Viruses spread person to person, so reducing the chance that one of them will get sick is not as effective as reducing the chance that both of them will get sick.
How's that?
Posted on 8/20/21 at 10:05 pm to Korkstand
So 73% plus those with natural immunity is not good enough. That's your position at this moment, correct?
Posted on 8/20/21 at 10:10 pm to Korkstand
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Vaccine efficacy is not and cannot be measured at the individual level, a person either gets sick or they don't. I
FMe this is excruciatingly painfully dumb.
This post was edited on 8/20/21 at 10:10 pm
Posted on 8/20/21 at 10:13 pm to McLemore
quote:You either don't understand how this data is gathered or you don't understand what I mean.
FMe this is excruciatingly painfully dumb.
Posted on 8/20/21 at 10:16 pm to tigerskin
Who cares about the 50,000 deaths?
Who thought it wouldn’t be approved with the incestuous relationship between big Pharma and our regulatory bodies?
Who thought it wouldn’t be approved with the incestuous relationship between big Pharma and our regulatory bodies?
Posted on 8/20/21 at 10:17 pm to Korkstand
The binary sick:not sick doesn't work with the claims these vaccine manufacturers (and now their fascist partners) are making. I'm too tired to do this again today.
Posted on 8/20/21 at 10:18 pm to GRTiger
quote:Keep in mind that it's 62% with two doses, and the other 10% have less protection. We don't really know how many have natural immunity, and I don't think we know how much overlap there is with vaccination. Also keep in mind that is the vaccination rate of those over 18, so that's 73% of 75% of the population. I would rather see the over 18 rate much higher so fewer kids need to be vaccinated. So yeah, that's my position at this moment.
So 73% plus those with natural immunity is not good enough. That's your position at this moment, correct?
Posted on 8/20/21 at 10:22 pm to Korkstand
It's 73% for what I assume is your purpose, which is to convince every last person to get it.
The only way to get what you want is to force people to do it. I'm hoping there aren't many out there with your preferences.
The only way to get what you want is to force people to do it. I'm hoping there aren't many out there with your preferences.
Posted on 8/20/21 at 10:24 pm to McLemore
quote:I realize that. You also can't measure how much less sick one person got thanks to being vaccinated. But neither of those facts matters in my simplified explanation of how one person's immunity impacts those around them.
The binary sick:not sick doesn't work
quote:Maybe try not inventing fascist regimes that you feel the need to fight against, might not be so tired.
the claims these vaccine manufacturers (and now their fascist partners) are making. I'm too tired to do this again today.
Posted on 8/20/21 at 10:27 pm to tigerskin
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FDA is to give full approval to Pfizer’s Covid-19 vaccine
Uh oh! What will the anti vax crowd claim the next roadblock to be?
Didn't read through the thread so it's probably been posted before! Go get the jab you heathens!
Posted on 8/20/21 at 10:33 pm to GRTiger
quote:I'm not into forcing people to do things. I'm just here for laughs, and to maybe drive a point home to a few people.
It's 73% for what I assume is your purpose, which is to convince every last person to get it.
The only way to get what you want is to force people to do it. I'm hoping there aren't many out there with your preferences.
Getting vaccinated is like voting, IMO. If you can't be bothered to do the absolute bare minimum to vote and tip the scales your way, then you can't really complain about the results. Likewise if you can't do the absolute bare minimum and get vaccinated, then you can't really complain about the results of it continuing to go around. Especially since not getting vaccinated is a vote for exactly that to happen.
Posted on 8/20/21 at 10:39 pm to Korkstand
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Getting vaccinated is like voting, IMO.
Oh, so then there's actually no way that 73% of the adult population is vaccinated.
Posted on 8/20/21 at 10:44 pm to jmon
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Uh oh! What will the anti vax crowd claim the next roadblock to be?
I trust the government and everything it tells me. Especially the CDC, tthe FDA, and most importantly the lead spokesman Anthony Fauci. Government knows what is best for me, always!
This post was edited on 8/20/21 at 10:50 pm
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