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re: FBI: more killed by hammers than rifles
Posted on 8/11/19 at 3:51 pm to upgrayedd
Posted on 8/11/19 at 3:51 pm to upgrayedd
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True. A bunch of illiterate Afghans and Iraqis with AKs have no shot against the US military
They dont.
The only reason we have these ME "war on terrorism" or "war against Islamic extremist" or whatever is because of resources and control. We dont need ME oil, but our O&G companies want it. This has always been about the petrodollar. Look at the two major countries who are against it, Iran and China. Sound familiar.
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Just to clarify, you think that since the government has nukes, we should do away with the 2A or severely limit it?
No. The 2A should always exist, if nothing else but for the possibility of invasion from an outside military and property rights.
Im simply saying that the original intent of the 2A, being able to fight on a level playing field with our domestic military forces, has been made obsolete.
Best case scenario for modern revolutionaries would be a " free state" system like what happened post Civil War.
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Posted on 8/11/19 at 3:51 pm to volod
you and penrod are completely wrong 
even if the above wasn't true, do you really think a majority of the armed forces would combat an insurgency from their own countrymen? do you not think a great deal of our servicemen are 2A advocates as well? how many would defect or refuse to fight?
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The military does not operate in a bubble, its major weapons systems are built and maintained by civilian contractors. Its small arms ammunition manufacturing base is owned and operated by civilians. Out of the entire DoD only a minor fraction are combat-trained and experienced with the vast majority being support personnel who have never really considered the possibility of being on a 2-way range.
even if the above wasn't true, do you really think a majority of the armed forces would combat an insurgency from their own countrymen? do you not think a great deal of our servicemen are 2A advocates as well? how many would defect or refuse to fight?
Posted on 8/11/19 at 3:51 pm to volod
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I agree with the spirit of the 2A, but
Fudds are so stupid.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 3:54 pm to volod
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They dont
They forced us out of 2 operational theaters after accomplishing nothing, chief.
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Im simply saying that the original intent of the 2A, being able to fight on a level playing field with our domestic military forces, has been made obsolete
That's just false
Posted on 8/11/19 at 4:05 pm to Carson123987
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even if the above wasn't true, do you really think a majority of the armed forces would combat an insurgency from their own countrymen? do you not think a great deal of our servicemen are 2A advocates as well? how many would defect or refuse to fight?
I think many are looking at a hypothetical scenario based on if the military remained loyal to its government. In fairness, militaries have fought against their civilian populations several times throughout history. The major difference being that in many of those conflicts, military was usually a privelege of noble classes or involved in some form of hierarchy in which regular civilians were excluded. A voluntary military such as the US removes this problem.
The entire premise of this standoff is unlikely for various reasons. The OP is true in that people are more likely to kill with objects if they just plan to kill one or two people.
You typically murder with a gun when you suspect that
*the victim stands a chance of fighting back.
*you need to eliminate multiple victims in a quick fashion.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 4:08 pm to cypresstiger
Common sense people know things like this already.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 4:22 pm to upgrayedd
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They forced us out of 2 operational theaters after accomplishing nothing, chief.
Was this because we didnt have the power or because of political meddling.
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That's just false
We can just agree to disagree. Im basing this off of our military's training and the actual number of men outside the military who meet the physical standards the military expects.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 4:23 pm to Vols&Shaft83
Posted on 8/11/19 at 4:24 pm to volod
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you need to eliminate multiple victims in a quick fashion.
So outlaw all semi automatic weapons? That's pretty much the only thing that would accomplish this.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 4:40 pm to iAmBatman
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What’s the ratio of hammers to rifles?
I don’t know about nationally, but my house is 3/1 rifles to hammers, and we’re not short on hammers.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 4:45 pm to fallguy_1978
quote:start with the bump stock, I just showed an example above.
So outlaw all semi automatic weapons?
Posted on 8/11/19 at 4:52 pm to volod
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Was this because we didnt have the power or because of political meddling.
If you think there were political limitations in a war vs a bunch of Iraqis, you think there would be any in a war vs it's own citizens?
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We can just agree to disagree. Im basing this off of our military's training and the actual number of men outside the military who meet the physical standards the military expects.
And you've left out most of the important factors as well.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 4:53 pm to TT9
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start with the bump stock, I just showed an example above.
They've already been banned, Rambo.
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start
Key word here. Everyone knows the end game of gun control in a full ban.
This post was edited on 8/11/19 at 4:55 pm
Posted on 8/11/19 at 4:55 pm to upgrayedd
Well good!
Posted on 8/11/19 at 4:57 pm to TT9
Surprised you didn't know that, Mr. gun expert.
Posted on 8/11/19 at 4:57 pm to TT9
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machine guns
Posted on 8/11/19 at 4:58 pm to TT9
#sad
Posted on 8/11/19 at 4:59 pm to Jones
Nothing worse than a progressive Gump
This post was edited on 8/11/19 at 5:00 pm
Posted on 8/11/19 at 5:01 pm to cypresstiger
Just to be clear you're saying more people were murdered by hammers than rifles?
Posted on 8/11/19 at 5:02 pm to upgrayedd
Never said I was an expert. Just was trying to get across that guns are far more deadly that a fricking hammer.
I can outrun a hammer, can't outrun a bullet.
I can outrun a hammer, can't outrun a bullet.
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