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re: Father/Son dumpster shooting of neighbor murder trial. Dad GUILTY. Son NOT GUILTY
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:30 pm to thermal9221
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:30 pm to thermal9221
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So did the dead guy. Everyone needed to be killed. Even the dumb bitch that filmed her husbands death.
Pretty sure the shootee was a known turd in the community. Like the kinda hot-headed dbag the cops have multiple run ins a year with. I’ll leave it to the jury to decide fat and fat jr’s fate, but hot head dead and those two in jail is a win for society.
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 3:39 pm
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Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:30 pm to finchmeister08
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i wanna watch but i keep pausing the video waiting for the right moment to stop.
You can't see anything. First shot is at 2:10 though
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 3:33 pm
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:30 pm to Clyde Tipton
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Protecting your father is murder?
In this case it is. Son had absolutely no reason to shoot. He shot because he wanted to be a tough guy.
Nothing but a lot of stupid in that video. But man, that woman's cries in the end and that fat pos telling her to get on the ground made me absolutely sick. I doubt they get off completely.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:32 pm to The Boat
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2018 was a bad year for neighbors.
1. Big Lee
2. This guy
fast forward 5 years and we have the guy asking if he should get his neighbor to pay because rainwater goes from one yard into his. Men were tougher back then.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:33 pm to LNCHBOX
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If I'm on the jury, you're having a really tough time convincing me they were justified in staying engaged in that situation.
They weren’t charged with “staying engaged in a situation.” They have a right to stand there. They have a right to stand there holding guns. Bat boy does not have a right to explicitly threaten to kill them and then step within swinging range with a bat.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:34 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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They weren’t charged with “staying engaged in a situation.” They have a right to stand there. They have a right to stand there holding guns. Bat boy does not have a right to explicitly threaten to kill them and then step within swinging range with a bat.
I mean your opinion that they weren't threatening with their weapons is one take I guess.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:35 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
Seems not guilty to me with watching the video.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:38 pm to broadhead
too good not to post again... 
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:38 pm to broadhead
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They weren’t charged with “staying engaged in a situation.” They have a right to stand there. They have a right to stand there holding guns. Bat boy does not have a right to explicitly threaten to kill them and then step within swinging range with a bat.
If defense can prove the dead guy pulled a weapon on dad and son, and that’s what caused the first shot then it’s self defense.
Otherwise.. although they had the right to be on public property they did not have the right to defense public property with deadly force.
This one is tough. Dead guy kept saying he was going to kill the son etc., so maybe he can prove he was in fear of his life. Idk now that I’m thinking on it
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:40 pm to BearCrocs
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so maybe he can prove he was in fear of his life. Idk now that I’m thinking on it
Standing there calm and collected with your gun is a bad look for being "fearful"
Let's be honest, those two were just waiting for the first hint of an excuse to shoot.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:44 pm to LNCHBOX
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I mean your opinion that they weren't threatening with their weapons is one take I guess.
With a guy close to them ranting and threatening to kill them? They were holding their weapons pointed away from bat boy. Just possessing a weapon isn’t automatically threatening anyone.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:46 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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With a guy close to them ranting and threatening to kill them?
Whose fault is t that that guy was close to them? Were they forced to stand there against their will?
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hey were holding their weapons pointed away from bat boy. Just possessing a weapon isn’t automatically threatening anyone.
Yea, all they did was stand there with weapons.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:48 pm to LNCHBOX
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Standing there calm and collected with your gun is a bad look for being "fearful"
They aren’t required to be in actual fear. The standard is whether a reasonable person in their position would fear death or great bodily harm and deadly force was required to prevent the same.
Calm and collected looks a lot more reasonable than ranting with threats to kill someone.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:49 pm to The Boat
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The first witness called was APD Officer Anthony Joeris, who was the first officer on the scene after the shooting. Joeris described Howard's condition when he arrived in the alleyway saying part of his skull was missing and his brain was exposed and said Howard appeared incoherent.
Joeris "didn't think he [Howard] knew what was going on."
He was still alive?
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:49 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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The standard is whether a reasonable person in their position would fear death or great bodily harm and deadly force was required to prevent the same.
And you'll have an extremely hard time getting a group of reasonable people to think what they did was justified.
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Calm and collected looks a lot more reasonable than ranting with threats to kill someone.
Nothing about those guys looked reasonable
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:50 pm to Clyde Tipton
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Realistically though, have you ever had to schedule a special trash pick up with the city for something like that?
No, because I don't like having old furniture/ mattresses sitting by the road in front of my house for a month. I usually load it in my truck and bring it to the landfill myself.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:51 pm to The Boat
Yes 100%
both get life
both get life
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:51 pm to LNCHBOX
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And you'll have an extremely hard time getting a group of reasonable people to think what they did was justified.
Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. We’ll soon see if the jury agrees with yours.
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:52 pm to Jack Bauers HnK
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Everyone’s entitled to their opinion. We’ll soon see if the jury agrees with yours.
I'm honestly shocked you can legitimately tell me those guys acted reasonably in your opinion.
ETA This is reasonable and calm to you
This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 3:53 pm
Posted on 1/25/23 at 3:54 pm to LNCHBOX
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With a guy close to them ranting and threatening to kill them?
Whose fault is t that that guy was close to them? Were they forced to stand there against their will?
you arent much on freedom are you? This post was edited on 1/25/23 at 3:57 pm
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