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re: Family releases video of son dying in police custody *GRAPHIC & NSFW*
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:34 pm to redneck
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:34 pm to redneck
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Don't drive careless and you won't get the ticket
pay the ticket
don't be addicted to drugs
3 strikes
he could have avoided this, don't feel bad at all for him
Do you think the personnel at the jail who were responsible for his welfare while in custody should be held responsible for his death?
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Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:36 pm to Darth_Vader
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Are we or are we not a civilized society? This is not the USSR or North Korea where prisoners are thrown in gulags to rot and die.
The OT blue line isn't bothered by these things. They don't care until it affects them.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:37 pm to Darth_Vader
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This may come as a shock to you, but there are some people in this world who are poor. And yes, one reason this guy was poor was due to his own bad decisions.
I bet he wasn't too poor to skip the pusherman.
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But that does not warrant being allowed to die in this manner.
I agree 100%. The police and the judge throwing him in jail isn't the problem though. The problem is that no one at the jail reacted to the situation once he lost it from withdrawal.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:37 pm to Darth_Vader
If you have issues like chemical dependency and have to have special treatment so you don't die, maybe you should take necessary steps to ensure that you don't miss the treatments. Like pay a fricking ticket to stay out of jail. Or maybe the family hoped he could get free treatment in jail. I don't disagree that the jailers have some responsibility, after all, they are responsible for the care, custody, and control of inmates. You have to go through a bunch of steps where this guy went wrong before you get to the jailers being the reason for his demise
This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 2:41 pm
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:38 pm to NYNolaguy1
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He was going to die a drug related death anyway.
i'm not bothered by it and don't care.
Would you say the same thing if he went through alcohol withdrawal instead of drug withdrawal?
One thing I think that needs to be cleared up here. This guy was a recovering addict. According to the story, he was prescribed Methadone, Xanax and Klonopin by a doctor to help wean him off whatever it was he had become addicted to (Heroin I guess). Suddenly being cutoff from these drugs prescribed by his doctor is what killed him.... slowly... while he suffered for almost two weeks.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:39 pm to Darth_Vader
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Do you think the personnel at the jail who were responsible for his welfare while in custody should be held responsible for his death?
no, he would be alive if he wasn't a crackhead, this is on him, not them
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:39 pm to Darth_Vader
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Stojcevski, the son of immigrant bakers
This triggered you because you read it as bikers right?
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:39 pm to CadesCove
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The problem is that no one at the jail reacted to the situation once he lost it from withdrawal.
and i dont think anyone is arguing this. some morons in here sound like the police fricked up for throwing him in jail though.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:40 pm to Darth_Vader
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Are we or are we not a civilized society?
This is a very tricky question...
We like to think we are. I certainly like to think we are.
But in reality, there is a lot of evidence to support both sides of that argument.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:40 pm to Darth_Vader
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One thing I think that needs to be cleared up here. This guy was a recovering addict. According to the story, he was prescribed Methadone, Xanax and Klonopin by a doctor to help wean him off whatever it was he had become addicted to (Heroin I guess). Suddenly being cutoff from these drugs prescribed by his doctor is what killed him.... slowly... while he suffered for almost two weeks
I agree, but in the story are those medications disclosed to jail personal. I'm really asking, because if not they have no idea that he was prescribed those things unless it is made known to them.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:41 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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You have to go through a bunch of steps where this guy went wrong before you get to the jailers being the reason for his demise
Step 1. This guy had prescriptions from a doctor for three drugs to help him break his addiction. The jailers did not let him have the drugs his doctor prescribed him. It was withdrawal from these drugs, prescribed drugs mind you, that killed him.
Step 2. A medical professional evaluated him and told the jailers he needed to be put in detox. Instead the jailers put him in a jail cell.
That's not very many steps.
This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 2:43 pm
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:41 pm to Paddyshack
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But in reality, there is a lot of evidence to support both sides of that argument.
most of the ones being jailed don't act civilized
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:41 pm to Darth_Vader
There are some archaic-minded mofos in here. This kid's situation is sad. Poor, addicted kid suffers miserably while in custody finally dying a painful death. Correct OT response? "Got what he deserved", " Play stupid games... ", etc.
I'd love to hang out in the Ivory Towers some of you ballers live in.
I'd love to hang out in the Ivory Towers some of you ballers live in.
This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 2:42 pm
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:42 pm to NYNolaguy1
This is awful and the people who let that guy die are responsible. Drug addicts are not evil people. They are sick people who made poor decisions to get to their current state. But they CAN be rehabilitated to do well for themselves and their communities. Every day there's a good chance you walk by someone who was an addict at some point in their lives.
Probably not your boss at work or your doctor or your kids' teacher, but productive members of society who got their shite together and kicked whatever they were addicted to. And now they may be addiction counselors, cut your lawn, work for DPW, or build your house.
This guy deserved help. You people are narrow-minded meanie pants.
Probably not your boss at work or your doctor or your kids' teacher, but productive members of society who got their shite together and kicked whatever they were addicted to. And now they may be addiction counselors, cut your lawn, work for DPW, or build your house.
This guy deserved help. You people are narrow-minded meanie pants.
This post was edited on 9/24/15 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:43 pm to Darth_Vader
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The jailers did not let him have the drugs his doctor prescribed him
a friend of mine wasn't allowed his medications for a terminal illness (that he was born with, not an addiction) when he went to the pen for a couple days. Jailers are not pharmacists
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:44 pm to redneck
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a friend of mine wasn't allowed his medications for a terminal illness (that he was born with, not an addiction) when he went to the pen for a couple days. Jailers are not pharmacists
They are pretty frickin bad about not providing meds at your city/parish jails. Had similar situation for a cooky relative who will go batshit crazy without meds.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:44 pm to Darth_Vader
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Step 2. A medical professional evaluated him and told the jailers he needed to be put in detox. Instead the jailers put him in a jail cell.
This is pretty damning. If the family has a copy of this, they are about to be able to retire from baking.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:45 pm to Topwater Trout
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How fricked up
Why?
Taking a mans freedom from him for a $750 ticket?
We create criminals. If that's what you want from your big government, so be it.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:45 pm to HVAU
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There are some archaic-minded mofos in here. This kid's situation is sad. Poor, addicted kid suffers miserably while in custody finally dying a painful death. Correct OT response? "Got what he deserved", " Play stupid games... ", etc.
Or, the cop hate on this board is so strong that people are defending a drug addict who was such a deadbeat that he couldn't pay a fine
The concept of personal responsibility is dead in this dead in this country. Just blame someone else for your own poor decisions.
Don't want to die in a jail cell? Pay your damn parking tickets, don't get addicted to drugs, and don't spend money that could go to paying for a parking ticket on drugs.
Darwin's Law. Natural selection. HIS choices and no one else led to this.
frick drug addicted deadbeats. They are a drain on the system and provide no benefit to society at all. We are better off in the long run without them. All they do is produce nothing and just wallow around looking for a way to come up with money so they can get their next fix. This results in crime, prostitution, and other desirable effects for a community. No thanks.
Posted on 9/24/15 at 2:46 pm to HVAU
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This kid's situation is sad. Poor, addicted kid suffers miserably while in custody finally dying a painful death.
Yeh because he had no responsibility in his own death or situation right?
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