re: F-15E shot down over Iran

Only “news” I’ve seen is aljazeera saying he was recovered

Fox and axios reporting the second crew member was rescued and is safely out of iran

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Fox News can confirm that the 2nd crew member of the downed F15E fighter jet has been rescued and he and the members of the rescue team that extracted him from behind enemy lines in Iran are all safely out of Iran. That according to two senior US officials and multiple well placed sources in the region. The Weapons Systems Officer ejected along with the pilot when their F15E Strike Eagle they were flying was struck Thursday night (early Friday local time) in southwest Iran.

The WSO used the SERE (Survival, Evasion, Resistance, and Escape) training to evade capture, hiding on an elevated ridge after hiking away from the wreckage and putting out an emergency beacon.) US Special Operations rescue forces to include PJs (United States Air Force Pararescuemen (PJs) and many layers of elite rescue forces took part in the complex, layered mission to both find the crew member and also keep the Iranian forces who were hunting the American weapons system operator at bay. There are videos that have appeared from local eyewitnesses that show what appear to have been injured and dead Iranian members of the IRGC and Basij who were looking for the downed American crew member. Fox has learned there was fighting on the ground but no Americans killed during the operation. “It was a very complex operation to retrieve the downed service member,” a well placed source briefed on the operation told me. Many different branches of the US military were involved in the rescue.

Fox News can confirm the A10 Warthog that crashed Friday was involved in providing cover for the rescue teams searching for the pilot. That A10 crashed in Kuwait (first reported by ABC Friday) but the A10 pilot managed to eject safely and was rescued. There was destruction of aircraft which have sensitive equipment on board, I am told, all part of this complex CSAR (Combat Search and Rescue) mission.

The F15E was pretty much destroyed on impact. Two rescue helicopters were hit by enemy fire on Friday and crew members onboard were injured by enemy fire but managed to make it out of Iran.

There were a lot of elements to this rescue, I am told.

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You do realize the revolutionaries in '79 cited 1953 as their justification for taking the US embassy right?

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The future Ayatollah Khomeini and his mentor supported the removal of the Prime Minister in 1953. The shah was also in favor of nationalization of oil like the Prime Minister at the time.

The Prime Minister was also elected like the Speaker of the House is, and he did not run as a national candidate. When his party lost power and influence in their parliament he pushed for an election to dissolve parliament and give himself and his cabinet all the power. Also some of the elections afterwards won with 99:9% of the vote including the one basically giving himself all the power. Anyone thinking that was the result of pure and honest democracy or that Mosaddegh was pushing democracy needs to have their head checked (even before his push to ignore the constitutional power of the shah while also dissolving parliament).

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As early as August 1952, he began to rely on emergency powers to rule, generating controversy among his supporters.[57] After an assassination attempt upon one of his cabinet ministers and himself, he ordered the jailing of dozens of his political opponents. This act created widespread anger among the general public, and led to accusations that Mosaddegh was becoming a dictator.

By mid-1953 a mass of resignations by Mosaddegh's parliamentary supporters reduced the National Front seats in Parliament. A referendum to dissolve parliament and give the prime minister power to make law was submitted to voters, and it passed with 99.9 percent approval, 2,043,300 votes to 1300 votes against.

The official pretext for the start of the coup was Mosaddegh's decree to dissolve Parliament, giving himself and his cabinet complete power to rule, while effectively stripping the Shah of his powers. It resulted in him being accused of giving himself "total and dictatorial powers." The Shah, who had been resisting the CIA's demands for the coup, finally agreed to support it.

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Also while the US help create conditions there is some debate whether the US was directly responsible for most actions of demonstrators or any of the army for the 1st and unsuccessful coup. The 2nd and successful’s demonstrations were mostly organized by citizens. And again support by the future leader of the Iranian Revolution.

Regardless it was also pushed hard by the British for a couple of years as it was their company being naturalized (Britain and USSR actually invaded Iran towards the end of WWII with the USSR refusing to leave for a couple of years), so if Israel is to blamed for current Iranian conflict Britain should be held to same standard.

Additional info on the above including losing the support of the future leader of the Revolution.

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Mosaddegh's political coalition was fraying. To make matters worse, the Speaker of the Parliament Ayatollah Kashani, Mosaddegh's main clerical supporter, became increasingly opposed to the Prime Minister, because Mosaddegh was squeezing him out of power. By 1953, he had completely turned on him, and supported the coup, depriving Mosaddegh of religious support, while giving it to the Shah.[14]: 97 He was joined in this by a young and relatively unknown mullah Ruhollah Khomeini, Iran's future revolutionary supreme leader who also condemned the Mossadegh government.

Mosaddegh appointed a series of secular ministers to his cabinet during his premiership, losing his support with the clergy.[129] In 1953, Ayatollah Abol-Qasem Kashani and his followers organised a series of protests against Mosaddegh's liberal reforms. By July 1953 when Mosaddegh asked for a critical extension of his emergency powers, "... Clerical members of the Majles who supported Kashani left the National Front Coalition and set up their own Islamic Faction...".[130] (Muslim Warriors). This faction then boycotted the 1953 referendum about the dissolution of parliament.

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Embassy terrorists may have stated they were in fear of another “coup” to win Khomeini’s support in staying even though their new leader actually supported (students probably didn’t know that), but most were mad at the support of the US for the Shah’s secret police after decades of abuse, their belief that the US undermined them in the Iranian Revolution against the shah, that the US allowed him to seek cancer treatment in the US, and that the US wouldn’t hand the Shah over to them.

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As Khomeini's followers had hoped, Khomeini supported the takeover. According to Foreign Minister Yazdi, when he went to Qom to tell Khomeini about it, Khomeini told him to "go and kick them out." But later that evening, back in Tehran, Yazdi heard on the radio that Khomeini had issued a statement supporting the seizure, calling it "the second revolution" and the embassy an "American spy den in Tehran."

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With support from Ruhollah Khomeini, who had led the Iranian Revolution and would eventually establish the present-day Islamic Republic of Iran, the hostage-takers demanded that the United States extradite Iranian king Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, who had been granted asylum by the Carter administration for cancer treatment.

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The Shah's admission to the United States intensified Iranian revolutionaries' anti-Americanism and spawned rumors of another U.S.–backed coup that would re-install him.[37] Khomeini, who had been exiled by the Shah for 15 years, heightened the rhetoric against the "Great Satan", as he called the U.S., talking of "evidence of American plotting."[38] In addition to ending what they believed was American sabotage of the revolution, the hostage takers hoped to depose the provisional revolutionary government of Prime Minister Mehdi Bazargan, which they believed was plotting to normalize relations with the U.S. and extinguish Islamic revolutionary order in Iran.[39] The occupation of the embassy on November 4, 1979, was also intended as leverage to demand the return of the Shah to stand trial in Iran in exchange for the hostages.

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All the quotes are from Wikipedia across a few articles. You know that Wikipedia thats a notorious right winger and supporter of everything America…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran_hostage_crisis?wprov=sfti1#Third_embassy_assault_and_seizure_of_hostages
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Revolution?wprov=sfti1#
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran?wprov=sfti1#World_War_II_and_post-occupation_instability
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1953_Iranian_coup_d'%C3%A9tat?wprov=sfti1#Execution_of_Operation_Ajax

Lfg

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Using Japan, Germany, Iraq, or Libya as evidence that regime removal creates stability is misleading.

Here's why:

Japan and Germany didn’t become democracies because of bombing—they were fully occupied, their governments dismantled, and their societies rebuilt under total Allied control. Nothing on that scale has been attempted by a multi-national coalition like that since 1945. Certainly not right now in Iran. It's been limited to Israel and the US, and no ground forces have been deployed in Iran. Yet.

Iraq and Libya show the opposite pattern. Removing the regime created power vacuums, insurgencies, militias, and long-term fragmentation. In Iraq’s case, Iran’s influence actually grew. Certainly not going to vacation in either of those countries anytime soon!

Don't think Iran’s Revolutionary Guard can be subdued like a typical military force—they are decentralized, deeply ideological, and intertwined with the economy. Rather than weakening them, airstrikes often reinforce their control. I don't they're going anywhere and therein lies the problem.

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The problem has always been that you can't bomb Islam out of existence. Heck, we can't even keep it out of our own country.

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The secretary of “war” is a drunken sex pest who used to host a FOX news show before getting this gig he’s wildly unqualified for

His boss is Donald Trump

Your faith in any of these people making good decisions is extremely misguided, as evidenced by the frickin disaster of a situation we currently find ourselves in

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You posted the above in response to me posting my faith in our generals and other war planners. I said nothing about the higher ups that simply approve the recommended plans.

But if you still think that Hegseth and Trump do all the war planning, are you giving them credit today for their master class with the rescue operation?

again we should have had better grips on our puppet

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You do realize the revolutionaries in '79 cited 1953 as their justification for taking the US embassy right?

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The future Ayatollah Khomeini and his mentor supported the removal of the Prime Minister in 1953. The shah was also in favor of nationalization of oil like the Prime Minister at the time.

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He was also a big fan of robbing the countries resources blind. He transferred all the money to his sister, who quickly amassed a billion dollar real estate portfolio in los Angelos that is still being litigated today.

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Yeah the shah and the PM were both shite at things while pushing for full control, and neither were a true representative of a democratically elected leader as a few have stated the PM was. Saying the shah supported nationalizing oil industry before the coup wasn’t meant to be a good thing, but saying more was driving the 1953 coup to secure the shah stayed in power per their constitution than just the British wanting to protect their oil company and that the future leader Khomeini and his mentor were supportive of the coup and pushed organized demonstrations even though Khomeini would later allow followers to believe it was all the US’s fault.