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re: Everything you think you know about addiction is wrong
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:08 pm to bamagreycoat
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:08 pm to bamagreycoat
Post it. If you’re serious.
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Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:09 pm to AU_251
We are decriminalizing and no longer arresting addicts for the fact of possession or being an addict. But they still commit other crimes like theft, robbery, and assault, and that is why most are in jail. Drug charges are just tacked on as a religious/Protestant virtue signaling effort
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:12 pm to Oilfieldbiology
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You get as much drugs as you can safely take at one time each day.
Yea, but I thought I heard that once the addict's life gets in order, they crave less and less of the fix.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:13 pm to facher08
That’s what they are saying. But the state is not limiting anything. I was just clarifying a detail about the program. Not arguing it’s validity
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:16 pm to Oilfieldbiology
Who is decriminalizing possession?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:21 pm to MojoGuyPan
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You go from almost 100 percent overdose when they're isolated to zero percent overdose when they have happy and connected lives.
This is bogus.
He was talking about rats in a cage, not Daryl Strawberry you dumb arse.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 6:47 pm to AU_251
Drugs and addiction are definitely societal coping habits.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 8:11 pm to Pectus
Peter Hitchens once cited a study in Europe where they gave junkies a placebo instead of heroin and the junkies fell for it.
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Posted on 6/12/19 at 8:19 pm to AU_251
This makes a lot of sense - it always baffles me though when I hear about someone who “lost everything” (family, job, marriage etc) because of addiction.
I’ve never understood why someone who has all that would be spending all their time trashed. In my experience drinking too much is an unhealthy but somewhat effective way to deal with losing things you love, not vice versa.
I’ve never understood why someone who has all that would be spending all their time trashed. In my experience drinking too much is an unhealthy but somewhat effective way to deal with losing things you love, not vice versa.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 8:26 pm to AU_251
Interesting read. I've found when I'm getting laid, I jack off to internet porn a lot less.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 8:37 pm to AU_251
I listened to some of it. For those who didn't and if it hasn't been mentioned, he pretty much says addiction is tried to one's environment.
He talked about an experiment done with mice. They put a mouse in a cage by itself. Put two water bottles up. One with water, one with water that had heroin in it. One the mouse went to that bottle to get water it never went to the other one. It did it until it OD and died.
Then they built a mouse cage that had all kinds of things for the mice to run around in, he said it was like a disney world for mice and there were a group of them in the cage. They put up several water bottles, some with just water some with heroin in the water. The mice would go back to the water that didn't have heroin in it.
He then said we had an unplanned experiment similar to that with humans. The vietnam war. 20% of those who fought in vietnam used heroin on a regular basis while there. Out of those 20%, 95% of them stopped using as soon as they returned home.
Pretty much saying if someone has surgery and they are receiving pain meds.. If they live in a stressed environment, etc, etc.. They are likely to become addicted.
He talked about an experiment done with mice. They put a mouse in a cage by itself. Put two water bottles up. One with water, one with water that had heroin in it. One the mouse went to that bottle to get water it never went to the other one. It did it until it OD and died.
Then they built a mouse cage that had all kinds of things for the mice to run around in, he said it was like a disney world for mice and there were a group of them in the cage. They put up several water bottles, some with just water some with heroin in the water. The mice would go back to the water that didn't have heroin in it.
He then said we had an unplanned experiment similar to that with humans. The vietnam war. 20% of those who fought in vietnam used heroin on a regular basis while there. Out of those 20%, 95% of them stopped using as soon as they returned home.
Pretty much saying if someone has surgery and they are receiving pain meds.. If they live in a stressed environment, etc, etc.. They are likely to become addicted.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 9:00 pm to OweO
Goddamn, you're fricking terrible. You literally just regurgitated what the OP said in the first fricking post.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 9:20 pm to Sao
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He fricked that up. Had he gotten the rat addicted first THEN put him in rat park and he went clean, then he'd have something
This. Would be much more similar to a person sitting in a hospital getting fed pain pills for 20 days then sending them home
I understand and pretty much agree with what he’s trying to say about environment and lifestyle playing a key factor, but the chemical “hook” he tries to downplay is definitely real, especially with opioids
Posted on 6/12/19 at 9:28 pm to AU_251
We learned this after Vietnam.
We expected heavy drug use from the veterans, but that didn’t happen. Once they got home, drug use dropped.
We expected heavy drug use from the veterans, but that didn’t happen. Once they got home, drug use dropped.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 9:31 pm to Lima Whiskey
What are the cliffs from the loquacious OP?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 9:45 pm to bamagreycoat
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There is a reactionary, and to be honest a pretty much humane, way to cull the opiate crisis in this country but I’m scared to post it. It would get downvoted by anybody that bothered to read it if anybody.
Why would you say this and not post it? Do you want us to beg for it? Plead for it? Promise not to downvote? With sugar on top??? AND a cherry?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 9:54 pm to bamagreycoat
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It would get downvoted by anybody that bothered to read it if anybody.
Just horrible English. Are you a mule from Colombia?
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