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re: Everything you think you know about addiction is wrong
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:50 pm to pussywillows
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:50 pm to pussywillows
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lonely, unhappy people are more likely to do drugs? who knew?
yea... so lock them up, further isolating them from society. That should do it!
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Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:51 pm to Mr Clean
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You could be getting something completely pure, something completely bunk, or anywhere in between.
If you're getting it from a doctor/pharmacy, it's completely pure 100% of the time.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:51 pm to AU_251
Nah. Nothing mentioned is particularly new and Earth shattering.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:51 pm to Tyga Woods
Hopefully there is more, because here is a summary of what OP included
PREMISE - what we know about addiction is wrong
1) We think we get addicted because of chemical hooks
2) But this isn't true because people on opioids for surgery don't get addicted
3) Rats prefer heroin water over normal water and they drink the shite out of it and die
4) But they avoid it if they have friends and other stuff to do
First, #2 is ridiculous in 2019.
The premise seems focused on how #4 and #2 disprove #1, but they don't. Like, at all.
PREMISE - what we know about addiction is wrong
1) We think we get addicted because of chemical hooks
2) But this isn't true because people on opioids for surgery don't get addicted
3) Rats prefer heroin water over normal water and they drink the shite out of it and die
4) But they avoid it if they have friends and other stuff to do
First, #2 is ridiculous in 2019.
The premise seems focused on how #4 and #2 disprove #1, but they don't. Like, at all.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:52 pm to AU_251
please point out to me exactly where i said that...tia
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:53 pm to AU_251
I had to stop and shoot up twice while trying to read all that but I finally made it.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:53 pm to AU_251
That is really facinating, and I agree mostly.
I still believe there is a chemical or physical imbalance in the brain for people that are addicts, however. As an alcoholic, I know my body craves EtOH, and I cant have just one.
But, my life is pretty happy now and so I drink the clean water, not the laced water.
I still believe there is a chemical or physical imbalance in the brain for people that are addicts, however. As an alcoholic, I know my body craves EtOH, and I cant have just one.
But, my life is pretty happy now and so I drink the clean water, not the laced water.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:54 pm to AU_251
Interesting perspective. On the surface it makes sense. I’m sure there’s more to it (like DNA), but it’s interesting
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:54 pm to stapuffmarshy
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For the tl;dr crowd. Get high on people, not drugs!!!
Or get high on money.
love casts out fear. relationships and money cast out fear. therefore either relationships or money are considered to be love.
if you can't cast out fear with relationships or money, use drugs.
because someon who cant cast out fear with relationships or money or drugs is allowed to commit suicide without anyone judging them.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:55 pm to AU_251
He’s wrong. If he walks outside and breaks his hip, he’ll get Morphine unless he’s been on opioids long term in which case they’ll give fentanyl
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:58 pm to AU_251
From now on, when I score heroin, I'm asking for the stuff with no hooks. Good read, OP.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 12:59 pm to AU_251
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but if you can't do that, because you're traumatized or isolated or beaten down by life, you will bond with something that will give you some sense of relief. Now, that might be gambling, that might be pornography, that might be cocaine, that might be cannabis, but you will bond and connect with something because that's our nature. That's what we want as human beings.
Seems like common sense to me.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:01 pm to AU_251
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When he talks about addicts who are missing that connection turning to drugs, that clicked. He hit it head on. For too long we have fought some invisible boogie man, locking up all the users and thus, forever ruining their prospects for a re-connection to society and a normal life.
What more do you expect from conservatives?
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:03 pm to Pettifogger
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The premise seems focused on how #4 and #2 disprove #1, but they don't. Like, at all
he never said there aren't chemical hooks. But that isn't the reason people turn to drugs and continue using them. Sure, the chemical dependency is a big problem, but not the root cause of the initial addiction.
Also, it's a TED talk, I posted like 2 minutes of the text...
This post was edited on 6/12/19 at 1:04 pm
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:05 pm to AU_251
We’ve been doing it wrong in the USA
I’ve been an advocate for a long time for more treatment options instead of jail. We’re not fixing or addressing the problem by putting someone in jail. It’s a temp solution to a long term problem. We need more treatment beds and sober living beds.
I’ve been an advocate for a long time for more treatment options instead of jail. We’re not fixing or addressing the problem by putting someone in jail. It’s a temp solution to a long term problem. We need more treatment beds and sober living beds.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:06 pm to TH03
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It's an interesting read. Not sure why you dudes brag about being illiterate.
It really was a good read. Hopefully something can be done about this.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:06 pm to TH03
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If you're getting it from a doctor/pharmacy, it's completely pure 100% of the time.
I'm aware of that, TH03.
I'm not as dumb as I look.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:10 pm to AU_251
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and continue using them
I don't see any debunking of this part in particular
Comparing 20 days on addictive drugs to unknown flirting with drugs while one is living a fulfilled life just doesn't seem like it's a setting where you can break new ground on addiction.
If the takeaway is "If one is living a fulfilled life (barring injury or surgery recovery, etc.), a person has a better chance of avoiding drug use in frequency/quantity that would lead to chemical dependence" - then ok, but I'm just not sure the anecdotes used really lead us there.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:20 pm to AU_251
I'll check this TED talk out. Thanks OP.
Posted on 6/12/19 at 1:22 pm to AU_251
Basically what this guy is saying is that people that are strong willed can quit at anytime and weak losers can’t
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