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re: Evangelical Texas pastor Tony Evans steps down from church due to unnamed 'sin'
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:27 pm to Joshjrn
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:27 pm to Joshjrn
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And again, I get that. But put yourself in the shoes of the non believer for a second. How would you react to someone who told that you that they, along with all humanity, are woeful wretches who, in spite of the looming threat of eternal damnation, violate their covenant with their chosen deity every. single. day. And in spite of their actions, no matter how abhorrent, they will be rewarded with an eternity in paradise because of their faith in their salvation.
There’s 2 major camps on this. Eternal salvation (once saved always saved ) and not. Both have their detractors when taken to extremes.
Believers are saved regardless of anything they do. Backslide to the point of no longer having any semblance of being a believer. Other believers claim those people just weren’t ever saved in the first place. Who knows
The other camp has true believers that have no security of salvation. Ever. I’ve sat next to old women “saints” that are the epitome of a Christian, yet they plead to God to save them from hell for their transgressions through the past week. “Please God don’t kill me in sin” was uttered during the alter call.
Eternal salvation has its detractors, but I just can’t abide having no eternal security in our daily lives. And anyway, God will sort us out in the end anyway. It’s a heart matter and only he knows our hearts. It’s my job to trust Him with that.
As senseless as some claim Christianity, it makes perfect sense on all levels to me. Until it doesn’t. lol
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Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:28 pm to sparkinator
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There’s 2 major camps on this. Eternal salvation (once saved always saved ) and not. Both have their detractors when taken to extremes.
Believers are saved regardless of anything they do. Backslide to the point of no longer having any semblance of being a believer. Other believers claim those people just weren’t ever saved in the first place. Who knows
The other camp has true believers that have no security of salvation. Ever. I’ve sat next to old women “saints” that are the epitome of a Christian, yet they plead to God to save them from hell for their transgressions through the past week. “Please God don’t kill me in sin” was uttered during the alter call.
Eternal salvation has its detractors, but I just can’t abide having no eternal security in our daily lives. And anyway, God will sort us out in the end anyway. It’s a heart matter and only he knows our hearts. It’s my job to trust Him with that.
As senseless as some claim Christianity, it makes perfect sense on all levels to me. Until it doesn’t. lol
So basically you don't really know what you believe but are scared of dying so it gives you some comfort to hope it will all work out
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:29 pm to L.A.
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unnamed 'sin'
Something something "thy neighbor's wife"
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:35 pm to Fat and Happy
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That just means he was caught and he chose to step down to keep it quiet instead of it being a big scandal and everyone knowing what he did
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When we fall short of that standard due to sin, we are required to repent and restore our relationship with God. A number of years ago, I fell short of that standard. I am, therefore, required to apply the same biblical standard of repentance and restoration to myself that I have applied to others."
You are close. He didn't get caught, per se, but someone from his past has spilled the beans and shite was about to hit the fan.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:37 pm to LSUGrad9295
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Something something "thy neighbor's wife"
Typically it’s this, if something else gets you the boot (Perry Noble, Mark Driscoll), then your congregation agrees that you’re one of the most narcissistic obnoxious assholes walking the earth.
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:46 pm to Florida_Man1981
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So basically you don't really know what you believe but are scared of dying so it gives you some comfort to hope it will all work out
No. Not at all.
I’m not into the “life insurance policy” to escape hell. I’m not even close to that.
I’m into working through my faith in the real world in which I live. Through the encounters I have and the Bible. Holding onto truths that I find and some that I am taught. Not being staunch and stiff necked in any denomination just because my parents were.
Rather learning why certain denominations believe a certain way, and then applying scripture and real world life and faith to determine if what I believe.
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2 Timothy 2:15 “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth".
I’ve been to MANY different denominations of churches. My cousin is an Assembly of God preacher and we argue differences in believes mags we have. I’ve been to non-denominational, UPC, Catholic, Baptist, Lutheran, etc. on and on. Just to see and learn, not just hold to a dogma because I was raised that way.
I know what I believe, I just am just not comfortable chunking rocks at those who believe differently.
Except for Calvinist. I don’t adhere to any of that whatsoever. Just being honest.
This post was edited on 6/12/24 at 12:04 am
Posted on 6/11/24 at 11:49 pm to L.A.
He’s a false teacher and so is his daughter Priscilla Shirer.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 12:09 am to sparkinator
Believe like a Calvanist and live like an Arminian. There’s a lot of truth in this old saying.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 12:13 am to CrystalPreserves
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If the christian god was real it would be really fricken depressing to accept after seeing what we all see that he allows to happen cross our newsfeeds.
I’m not a believer myself but these types of statements are always just straight fricking retarded and lack any semblance of logic
Posted on 6/12/24 at 12:31 am to meeple
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He’s a false teacher and so is his daughter Priscilla Shirer.
Honest question: why would Priscilla be a false teacher? She writes children's books mostly, right?
Posted on 6/12/24 at 12:38 am to L.A.
Does he get to keep the purple suits and private jet?
Posted on 6/12/24 at 12:42 am to Bamafig
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Believe like a Calvanist and live like an Arminian. There’s a lot of truth in this old saying.
I had to google that. It’s attributed to Leonard Revenhill. I’ve read “Why Revival Tarries” several times, but had no idea of that quote.
I met a dear friend of his who was also an author. He was at a Louisiana Baptist Convention about 30!years ago. I can’t remember his name, but he was a great speaker. I loved taking with him about Ravenhill. Anne Graham Lotz was there and Henry Blackaby as well. It was a really great convention.
I was unemployed at the time and I went to the convention with my pastor at the time.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 3:32 am to Old Sarge
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everyone is a sinner
Not Trump
Posted on 6/12/24 at 5:37 am to L.A.
Prayers for him. Repent and return to the Fathers grace.
For all have fallen short of the glory of God.
Most secular people (And some misguided Christians) mistakenly believe that once you accept Christs love and the Fathers forgiveness that you are no longer affected by the sin of this world. That somehow Satan can no longer reach you. Nothing could be further from the truth. Satan never attacks the souls he has under his control, but those that are set aside for God the Father he attacks with vengeance and hatred.
And likewise the Father's love for us is like that of a parents love for their child. When the child does wrong the parent doesn't disown the child but tried to guide them into better decisions and take the greatest joy in seeing the child realize his/her wrongdoing and stop and make amends on their own and turn from that wrongdoing. The parent knows then that the child is growing into a good and responsible adult and it warms their heart to know the child is on the path to become what they are meant to be.
For all have fallen short of the glory of God.
Most secular people (And some misguided Christians) mistakenly believe that once you accept Christs love and the Fathers forgiveness that you are no longer affected by the sin of this world. That somehow Satan can no longer reach you. Nothing could be further from the truth. Satan never attacks the souls he has under his control, but those that are set aside for God the Father he attacks with vengeance and hatred.
And likewise the Father's love for us is like that of a parents love for their child. When the child does wrong the parent doesn't disown the child but tried to guide them into better decisions and take the greatest joy in seeing the child realize his/her wrongdoing and stop and make amends on their own and turn from that wrongdoing. The parent knows then that the child is growing into a good and responsible adult and it warms their heart to know the child is on the path to become what they are meant to be.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 6:05 am to L.A.
I’m thinking he was a “brotha on the down low”
Posted on 6/12/24 at 6:14 am to CrystalPreserves
I assure you God is real, and the newsfeed have little to do with him. The greatest lie the devil has ever perpetuated is that God is not real and you have nothing to fear.
BTW, also don't confuse the fact that this guy has "sinned" and your reluctance to believe in God. All have sinned, each and everyone. This man is no different. What is sad is that he used his position in the church to likely perpetuate his actions, which brings dishonor to the establishment and his fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. Being a Christian doesn't mean that you will never sin. It doesn't work that way. The flesh is weak. Repentance of that sin and turning from it, asking God to give you the strength to avoid doing it again, is the basis of following his Word. None of us are perfect.
BTW, also don't confuse the fact that this guy has "sinned" and your reluctance to believe in God. All have sinned, each and everyone. This man is no different. What is sad is that he used his position in the church to likely perpetuate his actions, which brings dishonor to the establishment and his fellow brothers and sisters in Christ. Being a Christian doesn't mean that you will never sin. It doesn't work that way. The flesh is weak. Repentance of that sin and turning from it, asking God to give you the strength to avoid doing it again, is the basis of following his Word. None of us are perfect.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 6:18 am to clamdip
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Honest question: why would Priscilla be a false teacher? She writes children's books mostly, right?
Also, what make Tony Evans a false teacher?
Posted on 6/12/24 at 7:12 am to Joshjrn
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And again, I get that. But put yourself in the shoes of the non believer for a second. How would you react to someone who told that you that they, along with all humanity, are woeful wretches who, in spite of the looming threat of eternal damnation, violate their covenant with their chosen deity every. single. day. And in spite of their actions, no matter how abhorrent, they will be rewarded with an eternity in paradise because of their faith in their salvation.
Would that not terrify you a little bit?
Probably, because that’s a terrible way to spread the gospel.
I was saved as an adult so I get what you’re saying. Yes, there are people who run around approaching evangelicalism that way and it’s unfortunate.
Someone with a deep knowledge of the synaptic gospel can correct me, but Jesus never once told anyone that they were terrible people who’d burn in hell unless they repented. He drew people to Him with the good news (which is what the gospel means). He didn’t try to scare people away from hell because that doesn’t really accomplish anything.
The idea is “to the Father, through the Son”. It’s not “away from sin, to the Father” because that implies that we can “good person” our way into heaven and we can’t do that for ourselves. I think that’s the point that the people you’re referring to are trying to make, they’re just doing it poorly.
Posted on 6/12/24 at 7:23 am to faraway
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Paul's past was before he was converted and Paul was not an official church leader. that part matters a lot. church leaders who commit certain sins are disqualified as church leaders. it's a serious matter to God.
Serious question: where in the New Testament does God mention church structure and leadership?
Posted on 6/12/24 at 7:40 am to Dadren
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Someone with a deep knowledge of the synaptic gospel can correct me, but Jesus never once told anyone that they were terrible people who’d burn in hell unless they repented.
I’m guessing you dont think the Pharisees and Sadducees were people.
Meh, me either.
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