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re: Escalating Floods Putting Mississippi River’s Old River Control Structure at Risk

Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:41 am to
Posted by J Murdah
Member since Jun 2008
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:41 am to
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It tells the whole story and what is going to happen.

or you can tell us
Posted by whit
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
11025 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:43 am to
I didn’t read all of that. I live in mid city br, am I fitna die? Do I have time to pay my respek to Lawrence Bottoms tomorrow?
Posted by Capt ST
High Plains
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:47 am to
Get me a shirt
Posted by TDsngumbo
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:47 am to
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Highaland road would be new levee. Then would flow to St. Gaberiel and back fill spanish lake and Bayou Manchac. If that happens and Baton Rouge were to get a significant rain water would really have no where to go and the great flood all over again with no where to drain!!!!!! MASSIVE State of Emergency


All you need are 1 or 2 run away barges on the river to come crashing through the trees loaded with gravel and hit the levee and this possibility becomes a reality very very quickly

Or maybe a very, very wet fall, winter, & spring that saturates the ground and levee, then add on top of that the longest high-water flood in the river's history, resulting in enormous stress on the levees.

Just spit balling here.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 12:42 pm
Posted by Bigfishchoupique
Member since Jul 2017
9123 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:53 am to
Wherever you see cypress trees West of the river is where the water will go.
Posted by Capt ST
High Plains
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 5/13/19 at 11:59 am to
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Or maybe a very, very wet fall, winter, & spring that saturates the ground and levee, then add on top of that the longest high-water flood in the river's history, resulting on enormous stress on the levees.


This actually scares me more than the other scenarios. I’m surprised we haven’t seen more sloughing with this rapid rise.
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:11 pm to
Why doesn't army corps of engineers get out there today and dredge the silt?

Some combination of silt raising the river bottom at the bend and a lot of rain in the lower miss valley and you see the atchafalaya doubling or more and Mississippi flow at new Orleans in half or less.
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 12:12 pm
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:11 pm to
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Doesnt matter, have the high ground

Settle down, Obi Wan.
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:13 pm to
Morgan City’s walls are sitting with like 1 foot of freeboard as it is good lord if ORCS fails
Posted by achenator
Member since Oct 2014
3159 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:17 pm to
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Why doesn't army corps of engineers get out there today and dredge the silt?
there is only so much dredging equipment in the world and almost all of it is being used at any given time. The corps can barely keep the mouth of the river open.
Posted by SSpaniel
Germantown
Member since Feb 2013
29658 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:19 pm to
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Some combination of silt raising the river bottom at the bend and a lot of rain in the lower miss valley and you see the atchafalaya doubling or more and Mississippi flow at new Orleans in half or less.


So the Mississippi will do what it actually wants to do instead of what we want it to do?
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:20 pm to
Bingo. There would need to be several 30” dredges built specifically for the ORCS system. Not saying it can’t be done but you’re talking several hundred million dollars in the dredge price alone
This post was edited on 5/13/19 at 12:23 pm
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:22 pm to
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So the Mississippi will do what it actually wants to do instead of what we want it to do?


You are attributing egoic personhood to the topography. You've been hoodwinked. It's done a lot in documentaries. As if the river has a mind of its own. Nope. "Old man river" is a fable.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39207 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:35 pm to
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I’m surprised we haven’t seen more sloughing with this rapid rise.


Who knows what we might see when the water goes down.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39207 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:38 pm to
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there is only so much dredging equipment in the world and almost all of it is being used at any given time. The corps can barely keep the mouth of the river open.



Is the USACE even authorized to dredge around ORCS?

The USACE can't unzip and take a piss without congressional authorization.

I'm not opposed to this idea, and I think the costs of new dredges and operational cost - while high - would still be significantly less than a collapse of ORCS and river rerouting.

But this is the kind of thing we need to decide today so we can actually do it in 5-10 years.
Posted by Drunken Crawfish
Member since Apr 2017
3857 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 12:47 pm to
It seems that using dredging to remove the sediment isn't an option.

quote:

He cautioned against dredging or dynamiting the bottom to remove the sediment, since this might destructively alter in the river’s channel, destabilizing the banks and putting increased pressure on the levees.


This stuff is fascinating
Posted by LSUFanHouston
NOLA
Member since Jul 2009
39207 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:03 pm to
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This stuff is fascinating


Scary and fascinating

I wish there were a way to filter the sediment before this point. Or at least some of it. I know this is a silly idea, but like a giant mesh filter screen that catches the sediment, and somehow could be scraped clean daily and the sediment moved somewhere else.
Posted by Bigfishchoupique
Member since Jul 2017
9123 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:03 pm to
You would have to dredge over 100 miles of river. Look at those bars on Google maps Sattellite view. I wish I would have made my way to the river as a young man and made my career on it. So many exciting possibilities.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
69175 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:06 pm to
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that happens and Baton Rouge were to get a significant rain water would really have no where to go


Itd go through the break to the river like it was naturally intended to. With no levee, the 2016 flood would have been a non-event
Posted by Chad504boy
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Member since Feb 2005
172258 posts
Posted on 5/13/19 at 1:06 pm to
this thread is nearly more confusing than one of the dumb space threads.
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